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Old 08-20-2010, 07:55 PM   #5266
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Is this fact or guess? Testing has shown otherwise...
it's a fact. been testing it with old slow battery nimh.
that's why Super Charge requires good battery.

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@ 3000 RPM your car is basically no faster then a brisk walking pace so yeah if you set up the ESC in the scenario then assuming you are @ 3000 RPM (I can't remember but i think minimum now is 5000) you would hit supercharger as soon at you hit full throttle (assuming 0 delay), but come on we're talking real scenarios here.

I'm done with this....
but it's not impossible
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:06 PM   #5267
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+1 . Ok, for the rev 1.1 528 calculator can I get the settings for the DMTS timing (is max 21 or 26.5) and the start RPM points? At least if people agree on these two points I can update the calculator program for all.

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maybe both 528 and 422 calculator.
but 422 DMTS is ~0,~3,~6,~9,~12,~15,~18,~21.

revision is always accepted.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:25 PM   #5268
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What is your test procedure? What equipment are you utilizing to find these facts that seem to contradict SpeedPassion's literature?
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:10 PM   #5269
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What is your test procedure? What equipment are you utilizing to find these facts that seem to contradict SpeedPassion's literature?
nothing contradict with SpeedPassion's literature.
the Controller procedure has been explained by Shawn Palmer.

and the M-Technic test is only talk's about total delay
before Supercharge activated :
0rpm~DMTS RPM actual delay(time required) + sc delay=total delay.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:53 PM   #5270
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all I know is I used G12314's setting last weekend at our annual Summer sizzler, I TQ'd and finished 2nd overall. whatever he says works for me.



it is my understanding that when I set the DMTS setting to #9 21 degrees of esc timing, that the motor will be getting 21 degrees of esc timing all the time, no matter the rpm. then when I set the RPM delay to 4, 7, 12 or whatever, at THAT rpm the supercharger starts to kick in. and it kicks in how ever much timing that I set in #12 at a rate (ramp) set in #15. not that I care anymore as I have been given the sweet spot for my track, thanks again.
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all I know is I used G12314's setting last weekend at our annual Summer sizzler, I TQ'd and finished 2nd overall. whatever he says works for me.
Thanks G12314, thanks a whole lot !!! I finished 3rd behind skypilot. Keep yer setups to yourself in the future

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Old 08-21-2010, 12:38 AM   #5272
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If you guys really want the facts about the software then you must read the Hobbywing guide on the hobbywing website. They spell it all out very clearly. I can tell you that start rpm is the time when the ramping takes place. The so called turbo or supercharger has nothing to do with rpm and only goes off the timing delay setting.

Basically setting 9, 13 and 15 are related to boost (ramping of the timing) only.

Setting 12 and 14 are related to turbo only.

The only timing you will get before the start rpm is whatever your motor is set at. No esc timing is applied before the start RPM.

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:18 AM   #5273
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Hi,

Last night I rang these settings first time ever racing indoors,

2-4
4-9
9-8
12-7
13-3
14-5
15-2

started at 6.97 then dropped another pinion to 7.21, temps were pretty low in the 50's Centigrade, am I gearing the wrong way ? I think it needed a little more punch which would of also helped getting upto speed on the straight.

Track has a straight of about 30m (that's a guess) and the rest is tight and technical.

I normally run 2 on 5% outdoors, is it best to run more drag indoors on tight tracks ? I might try 2 at 20% next

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:35 AM   #5274
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i believe jimmy understand the correction,
and previous jimmy calculator is removed
until he is ready with his latest revision.
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Just a qustion to Jimmy and Irgo, why are you all getting so hung up on Tekin's end RPM?

The SP/HW speedo's work differently to Tekins, so why the need to convert settings?

In all honesty do we need to know the middle RPM and end RPM of the timing ramp when the timing ramp on the SP/HW is linear as set by the amount of RPM/Degree on SC Punch. With a Tekin you need to calculate a curve based on beginning and ends but the HW/SP does this for you?

I fail to understand why this calculator is needed unless you are trying to emulate a Tekin program?

As an aside, I have a suggestion for the next software update..... Unless Supercharger is a marketing hype why not do away with the SC additional timing, and just have settings 1 to 36 for 1 degree of overall timing upto 36 degrees, forget delays and turbo's and just go with amount of timing and Ramp (SC Punch) simpler and more accurate I think lol.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:56 AM   #5276
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This is another mistake on jimmy stegen calculator
that need be fixed,

as the supercharge timing 0 or off the END RPM should remain the same.



hes calculator mistake is it's
still calculate it's end RPM multiply related to sc punch.

so those are off Speed Passion Procedure.
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This is another mistake on jimmy stegen calculator
that need be fixed,

as the supercharge timing 0 or off the END RPM should remain the same.



hes calculator mistake is it's
still calculate it's end RPM multiply related to sc punch.

so those are off Speed Passion Procedure.
No, Irgo the SC Punch is a BADLY NAMED menu item, should be called Timing Curve / Ramp or something, it is in effect from the moment the ESC hits the DMTS Start point, Then the timing comes in at whatever amount you set the Curve at if it is 550/Degree then the total timing is added at the rate. Once full throttle has been held for the delay time AND the DMTS has reached its set level THEN the addition gob of timing comes in AT THE SAME AS BEFORE. The timing is dynamic but in a LINEAR curve.
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No, Irgo the SC Punch is a BADLY NAMED menu item, should be called Timing Curve / Ramp or something, it is in effect from the moment the ESC hits the DMTS Start point, Then the timing comes in at whatever amount you set the Curve at if it is 550/Degree then the total timing is added at the rate. Once full throttle has been held for the delay time AND the DMTS has reached its set level THEN the addition gob of timing comes in AT THE SAME AS BEFORE. The timing is dynamic but in a LINEAR curve.
the punch...
Speed Passion already had another name called Torque Limit which is
avaliable on Speed Passion Cirtix Controller.

those punch timing are either depend on sensor rpm increment after the DMTS Start RPM.
when DMTS START RPM achieved.
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This is another mistake on jimmy stegen calculator
that need be fixed,

as the supercharge timing 0 or off the END RPM should remain the same.



hes calculator mistake is it's
still calculate it's end RPM multiply related to sc punch.

so those are off Speed Passion Procedure.
Irgo, you realize your statement above is also stating that the SP documentation is wrong.

Jimmy's calculator works exactly the same as stated in SP's instructions.

18000 = 15000 + [(3 + 0) * 1000)]

Why do you keep bringing this up? Let it go buddy...
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Irgo, you realize your statement above is also stating that the SP documentation is wrong.
SP Documentation is correct, i never say it's wrong.
as SP release the 422 Documentation, while Sp has not release the
documentation for 528.
but the 528 rpm is on this one
http://www.speedpassion.net/uploadfi...ch26th_Eng.pdf


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Jimmy's calculator works exactly the same as stated in SP's instructions.

18000 = 15000 + [(3 + 0) * 1000)]

Why do you keep bringing this up? Let it go buddy...
incorrect, as the "12. SC Timing" is "0" (turned off) ,
the end RPM should remain the same as start rpm at 15000RPM or at "DMTS start RPM".
and not to multiply with "15. SC Timing Punch"
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