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Old 02-19-2010, 09:22 AM   #2536
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Are we likely to see them back judging by the Schumacher USA news?
I sure hope so, but I tend to believe that we may not unless Speed Passion picks them up as US reps or something... I wish I would have known about this earlier -- Adam called me to tell me an order I had placed was being cancelled, and at the time I just assumed they were out of stock... Although, now that I think about it, he did mention that Speed Passion was bringing up a new web site around March 1 to provide online sales of SP products... I wish I would have made the connection then and asked some questions...

I've been changing over to SP ESC's, etc. after years of buying Novak... Now...?
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I wonder how long they are going to be operational before closing?

I hope that Speed Passion can keep Adam and Shawn as part of a USA operation.
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:55 AM   #2538
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I hate to ask, but is there any way to get the performance out of the SP LPF comparable to the Tekin RS or Mamba Max Pro? I recently installed the LPF in my sedan with an Orion Vortex 17.5 and simply cannot hang with the other guys that have gone the way of the boost/turbo. I've tried the 110 and 107 versions and prefer the 107. I'm running a 6.0 FDR with 26 degree timing on the ESC and about half the timing advance on the motor (sorry, don't have exact degrees at the moment).

Last night I pulled off the track at 170F degrees on the motor so I'm pushing it about as hard as I can. The Tekin/MMP guys are coming off the track much cooler and are faster. I'm still tinkering with gearing but I don't think that's really the issue. The other guys' acceleration AND top speed blow me away. Some are running the same car and close to same setup so it can't be that. One guy running a SP is hanging with them but still just barely hanging and his temps are way too high.

My theory is that since the other ESC's are adjusting timing based on RPM they are essentially shifting gears. At low RPM they have the torque of low timing advance then it increases at higher RPM when the load isn't as great. This generates less heat so they can gear higher. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm a bit of a noob in this area.

Can we expect the next software update to get the Speed Passion LPF on the same level as the Tekin? Am I just missing something and it already is if setup properly?
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Well the fact that Adam and Shawn haven't posted in this thread for awhile, we might not get the level of "forum support" from Speed Passion and/or Schumacher.

This is not good at all.
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Things are being worked on

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I hate to ask, but is there any way to get the performance out of the SP LPF comparable to the Tekin RS or Mamba Max Pro? I recently installed the LPF in my sedan with an Orion Vortex 17.5 and simply cannot hang with the other guys that have gone the way of the boost/turbo. I've tried the 110 and 107 versions and prefer the 107. I'm running a 6.0 FDR with 26 degree timing on the ESC and about half the timing advance on the motor (sorry, don't have exact degrees at the moment).

Last night I pulled off the track at 170F degrees on the motor so I'm pushing it about as hard as I can. The Tekin/MMP guys are coming off the track much cooler and are faster. I'm still tinkering with gearing but I don't think that's really the issue. The other guys' acceleration AND top speed blow me away. Some are running the same car and close to same setup so it can't be that. One guy running a SP is hanging with them but still just barely hanging and his temps are way too high.

My theory is that since the other ESC's are adjusting timing based on RPM they are essentially shifting gears. At low RPM they have the torque of low timing advance then it increases at higher RPM when the load isn't as great. This generates less heat so they can gear higher. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm a bit of a noob in this area.

Can we expect the next software update to get the Speed Passion LPF on the same level as the Tekin? Am I just missing something and it already is if setup properly?
Unless you are on a really small track, I think you may be undergeared and over-timed.

Try returning the motor and ESC timing to the defaults - the reduced mechanical timing gives you some punch and temperature back. Then add teeth to the pinion.

With my 13.5 setup I had tried the "max timing, gear down" approach and it didn't work any where near as well as the "standard timing, gear up" approach.
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I hate to ask, but is there any way to get the performance out of the SP LPF comparable to the Tekin RS or Mamba Max Pro? I recently installed the LPF in my sedan with an Orion Vortex 17.5 and simply cannot hang with the other guys that have gone the way of the boost/turbo. I've tried the 110 and 107 versions and prefer the 107. I'm running a 6.0 FDR with 26 degree timing on the ESC and about half the timing advance on the motor (sorry, don't have exact degrees at the moment).

Last night I pulled off the track at 170F degrees on the motor so I'm pushing it about as hard as I can. The Tekin/MMP guys are coming off the track much cooler and are faster. I'm still tinkering with gearing but I don't think that's really the issue. The other guys' acceleration AND top speed blow me away. Some are running the same car and close to same setup so it can't be that. One guy running a SP is hanging with them but still just barely hanging and his temps are way too high.

My theory is that since the other ESC's are adjusting timing based on RPM they are essentially shifting gears. At low RPM they have the torque of low timing advance then it increases at higher RPM when the load isn't as great. This generates less heat so they can gear higher. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm a bit of a noob in this area.

Can we expect the next software update to get the Speed Passion LPF on the same level as the Tekin? Am I just missing something and it already is if setup properly?
I'm running the same LPF in my Xray T2 007 set up for RCGT...I run the 107.
duo 2 17.5
78 spur, 28 pinion 48pitch gears
FDR = 4.74
motor timing to second mark, 20 degree???
"DRRS" = 9
"AMTS = 8
car is fast and has good bottom end as well...I run on aspalt tracks..just watch your motor temps...and were all waiting for a program update
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as much as i love adam, not in a gay way, sorry adam, I'm sure everything will work out fine. isn't Josh C. the speedpassion rep, or something for the usa.
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:02 AM   #2544
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as much as i love adam, not in a gay way, sorry adam, I'm sure everything will work out fine. isn't Josh C. the speedpassion rep, or something for the usa.
good...cause he's a gay ops I mean good guy
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have you tried a different motor?
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have you tried a different motor?
No, unfortunately I don't have access to a different 17.5. I plan to eventually get a V3 but don't have the cash for it now. I don't think there's anything "wrong" with the Orion and I've only gotten it to 170 that one time.

I'm going to tinker with gearing/timing some tomorrow and see what I can get it to do. The track is 50x80 I believe, carpet.
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I'm running the same LPF in my Xray T2 007 set up for RCGT...I run the 107.
duo 2 17.5
78 spur, 28 pinion 48pitch gears
FDR = 4.74
motor timing to second mark, 20 degree???
"DRRS" = 9
"AMTS = 8
car is fast and has good bottom end as well...I run on aspalt tracks..just watch your motor temps...and were all waiting for a program update
Interesting. I ended up at 4.85 with motor timing set to Max DRRS at 8 and AMTS at max (8)? running 107. motor didnt get above 53 degrees C with ambient temps of 5-10 degrees (uk).
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Interesting. I ended up at 4.85 with motor timing set to Max DRRS at 8 and AMTS at max (8)? running 107. motor didnt get above 53 degrees C with ambient temps of 5-10 degrees (uk).
yeah its a good setup....nice and fast
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No, unfortunately I don't have access to a different 17.5. I plan to eventually get a V3 but don't have the cash for it now. I don't think there's anything "wrong" with the Orion and I've only gotten it to 170 that one time.

I'm going to tinker with gearing/timing some tomorrow and see what I can get it to do. The track is 50x80 I believe, carpet.
I would suggest that you :

- Reset everything on your Speedo and Radio
- Reconfigure your Speedo and Radio together as suggested by Adam on here
- See if someone could try out your motor at the track, and you try there "fast" one
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I think all you guys are over thinking your cars.
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