"Ask" Jilles Groskamp Tamiya 416 & 417, Team Orion Motors
#1531
Tech Adept
Team Orion Motors
Hi Jilles,
I am going to run 13,5t motor this summer, but what shall I pick up the VST pro mod. or stock one?
We will race under the sportsman rules (0 timing) on both esc and motor.
Gearing down to 3,500 is allow.
Thanks
CP
I am going to run 13,5t motor this summer, but what shall I pick up the VST pro mod. or stock one?
We will race under the sportsman rules (0 timing) on both esc and motor.
Gearing down to 3,500 is allow.
Thanks
CP
#1532
Tech Initiate
Hi, Jilles
A question about the 417 TITC setting.
Why use the -0.5mm spacer for the FF/FR suspension mount? Only for more front rolling and traction?
Thanks and Best Regards
RS
A question about the 417 TITC setting.
Why use the -0.5mm spacer for the FF/FR suspension mount? Only for more front rolling and traction?
Thanks and Best Regards
RS
Last edited by srw_g; 05-08-2011 at 09:41 AM.
#1533
I would like to talk about oil brand...
Jill, you use Much More oil, right ? Why not Tamiya ones ? Is it the same, I mean 400 MM egal 400 Tamiya ?
Other question : You use HPI silver front and rear... What is the equivalence for tamiya spring ? Because it's weird that everybody use the same spring front and rear with the HPI one, and out of the box, we have blue tamiya front and yellow rear...
Thanks in advance
Jill, you use Much More oil, right ? Why not Tamiya ones ? Is it the same, I mean 400 MM egal 400 Tamiya ?
Other question : You use HPI silver front and rear... What is the equivalence for tamiya spring ? Because it's weird that everybody use the same spring front and rear with the HPI one, and out of the box, we have blue tamiya front and yellow rear...
Thanks in advance
#1534
Jilles
Currently running Orion 4.5 about to purchase the new generation of the motor
Running in 12th scale between 36rollout and 40 depening on esc setup.. how different would the setup need to be with the new motor??
Can you tell us more about new Orion esc??
Currently running Orion 4.5 about to purchase the new generation of the motor
Running in 12th scale between 36rollout and 40 depening on esc setup.. how different would the setup need to be with the new motor??
Can you tell us more about new Orion esc??
#1535
Tech Regular
When sweeping the front arms going from a CC blocks to CB blocks what does this do? More mid to end of corner steering?
Cheers
Cheers
#1536
Tech Elite
iTrader: (24)
Jiles, Back to your 2 oring shock set up. Do you find yourself running the same wt oil as before with this or do you change the oil slightly to suit this oring set up? I am using this currently on my Mi4CX and really like it. Even though i am not running a tamiya I Love the advice in this thread. Regards Benzaah.
#1537
Tech Apprentice
Thank you Jilles!
#1538
Hi Jilles,
how you do to stop leak from the spec-r gear diff?? btw good luck on your upcoming race...
how you do to stop leak from the spec-r gear diff?? btw good luck on your upcoming race...
#1539
No problem!
Thanks! Yes, I will do the Euros in Austria!
If you car feels lazy try harder spring, such as HPI Purple.
Downstop 6mm front and 5mm rear makes the car also faster response.
As for the wheelbase, I have been running only 1mm shim in the rear of the front suspension arms, which is 1mm shorter wheelbase then before.
As for the camberlink shims. I normally run like 5mm front and 4mm rear if the traction is good, if low traction you can run 4mm and 3mm to give little more chassis roll.
Not really understand your question? What's VST?
This felt for me little more steering and the car doesn't roll as much.
The reason I use MM oil is that the whole team started to use this many years ago and it's better starting point for everyone using the same brand oil. I think I explain in previous posts, carpet = Tamiya white/blue asphalt is HPI silver most of the time.
Honestly I didn't try the new motor in 1/12 yet. I'm sure you will have more power with the same turns. The new Orion R10 speedo now it's in his final stage to be finished!
Less entry, more mid and exit steering.
I think with 2 o-ring vs 1 o-ring the oil differents is about 50Wt. Instead of using 600Wt with 1 o-ring I use 550Wt with 2 o-ring. Thanks for your message.
You can't really stop it 100%, but use some thick grease around the o-ring.
Use oil at least 1000Wt, thinner will leak more.
Jilles
I again! :-)
Another few questions:
When you look at the shims under the chamber links in the kit instructions for the 417 are 4mm fornt and 3mm rear. Is this a good balanced starting point for any surface? asphalt and carpet?
When you change things there, how much should you do this, and how does it afect the handling of the car?
What about wheelbase? I never runed anything other than kitsetup in my Tamiyas? Is there also a suggestion for a change?
My problem is that my car is a little lazy in fast sweepers, so other drivers can carry slightly more speed in this sections.
My setupfor asphalt:
HPI sliver with MM 400 oil, no rebound all around
B-C, and XA-E with 0,5mm shims alaround,
1,5 front 2 negative chamber
Front spool, rear spec R Diff with 1000 oil.
Droop is front 5mm rear 4mm (meassured when the car is without tires flat on the setupboard with the gauge under the arms)
5mm front, 5,5 rear ground clearance
Shocktower front one hole inner (from the middle)
Rear in the middle.
Body is an LTC-R
The rest is all kitsetup
Thanks Blueman
Another few questions:
When you look at the shims under the chamber links in the kit instructions for the 417 are 4mm fornt and 3mm rear. Is this a good balanced starting point for any surface? asphalt and carpet?
When you change things there, how much should you do this, and how does it afect the handling of the car?
What about wheelbase? I never runed anything other than kitsetup in my Tamiyas? Is there also a suggestion for a change?
My problem is that my car is a little lazy in fast sweepers, so other drivers can carry slightly more speed in this sections.
My setupfor asphalt:
HPI sliver with MM 400 oil, no rebound all around
B-C, and XA-E with 0,5mm shims alaround,
1,5 front 2 negative chamber
Front spool, rear spec R Diff with 1000 oil.
Droop is front 5mm rear 4mm (meassured when the car is without tires flat on the setupboard with the gauge under the arms)
5mm front, 5,5 rear ground clearance
Shocktower front one hole inner (from the middle)
Rear in the middle.
Body is an LTC-R
The rest is all kitsetup
Thanks Blueman
Downstop 6mm front and 5mm rear makes the car also faster response.
As for the wheelbase, I have been running only 1mm shim in the rear of the front suspension arms, which is 1mm shorter wheelbase then before.
As for the camberlink shims. I normally run like 5mm front and 4mm rear if the traction is good, if low traction you can run 4mm and 3mm to give little more chassis roll.
I would like to talk about oil brand...
Jill, you use Much More oil, right ? Why not Tamiya ones ? Is it the same, I mean 400 MM egal 400 Tamiya ?
Other question : You use HPI silver front and rear... What is the equivalence for tamiya spring ? Because it's weird that everybody use the same spring front and rear with the HPI one, and out of the box, we have blue tamiya front and yellow rear...
Thanks in advance
Jill, you use Much More oil, right ? Why not Tamiya ones ? Is it the same, I mean 400 MM egal 400 Tamiya ?
Other question : You use HPI silver front and rear... What is the equivalence for tamiya spring ? Because it's weird that everybody use the same spring front and rear with the HPI one, and out of the box, we have blue tamiya front and yellow rear...
Thanks in advance
Jiles, Back to your 2 oring shock set up. Do you find yourself running the same wt oil as before with this or do you change the oil slightly to suit this oring set up? I am using this currently on my Mi4CX and really like it. Even though i am not running a tamiya I Love the advice in this thread. Regards Benzaah.
Use oil at least 1000Wt, thinner will leak more.
Jilles
#1540
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (17)
Hello Jilles-
Are you racing the Reedy Race in Union City, California in a few weeks? Maybe I will make a special trip to see Team Tamiya. You, Marc, Elliot and Viktor are all signed up in the Invitational class.
So also big thanks again for answering my newbie questions.
If you have time a few more: For 417 what steering spacers should I try for ackermann on different types of tracks? Also what types of tracks and conditions do you recommend running front arm sweep? Always 1D/1B for sweep or other combinations?
Thanks
Brett
Are you racing the Reedy Race in Union City, California in a few weeks? Maybe I will make a special trip to see Team Tamiya. You, Marc, Elliot and Viktor are all signed up in the Invitational class.
So also big thanks again for answering my newbie questions.
If you have time a few more: For 417 what steering spacers should I try for ackermann on different types of tracks? Also what types of tracks and conditions do you recommend running front arm sweep? Always 1D/1B for sweep or other combinations?
Thanks
Brett
#1541
THX Jilles!
I think with the harder spring you mean HPI Pink (not purple) right?
Greetings, and see you in Austria!
I think with the harder spring you mean HPI Pink (not purple) right?
Greetings, and see you in Austria!
#1542
Thanks Jill ! I found some HPI silver spring, so I could try this soon ! I will try the MM oil too, I'll let you know my feeling about this setting.
#1543
Hello Jilles-
Are you racing the Reedy Race in Union City, California in a few weeks? Maybe I will make a special trip to see Team Tamiya. You, Marc, Elliot and Viktor are all signed up in the Invitational class.
So also big thanks again for answering my newbie questions.
If you have time a few more: For 417 what steering spacers should I try for ackermann on different types of tracks? Also what types of tracks and conditions do you recommend running front arm sweep? Always 1D/1B for sweep or other combinations?
Thanks
Brett
Are you racing the Reedy Race in Union City, California in a few weeks? Maybe I will make a special trip to see Team Tamiya. You, Marc, Elliot and Viktor are all signed up in the Invitational class.
So also big thanks again for answering my newbie questions.
If you have time a few more: For 417 what steering spacers should I try for ackermann on different types of tracks? Also what types of tracks and conditions do you recommend running front arm sweep? Always 1D/1B for sweep or other combinations?
Thanks
Brett
For the ackermann I always use 2mm shims, this in combination with 1mm shim on the back of the front suspension arms. I almost never try 1D/1B but you can try on big tracks with sweepers.
Jilles
#1544
Tech Regular
#1545
Tech Adept
Sorry I was so unclear, but english is not my main speaking.
I mean which orion motor is best for 13.5t stock racing.
The racing version or stock version.
Plus if I want to get a gearing of 3.500 shall I use 64p or is 48p a better option?
I mean which orion motor is best for 13.5t stock racing.
The racing version or stock version.
Plus if I want to get a gearing of 3.500 shall I use 64p or is 48p a better option?