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Old 04-09-2009, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Benn0
Here is my actual setup

Madzaspeed
Sorex 36R with CS Tire-Max Grip heated to 60°
No screw on the topdeck for steering

Front:
Blocks: C - C
Camper: 2°
0,5mm Antidive
0,5mm wheel spacer
5mm height
Damper: 400er tamiya oil
white springs Tamiya
3-hole plates
2nd hole from inside on damper bridge

Rear:
Blocks: XA - E
Camber: 2°
0,5mm Rollcenter
1mm wheel spacer
5,5mm height
Damper: 400er tamiya oil
blue springs Tamiya
3-hole plates
5th hole from inside on damper bridge

a lot of stuff but I hope you can help me

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Your setup is very similar to what I used to run. Try the base asphalt setup that Jilles posted a few pages, back - you wont be disappointed!
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Old 04-10-2009, 03:32 AM
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The next time I will try the basic rubber Setup. I'm sure it works better than mine

Jilles,
do you always use a 2mm spacer for the front suspension arm? In the basic setup from the manual it's written with 1,5mm. Do 2mm work better or is it just better for modified ? (I'm running 9.5)

Is it correct that you raised the rollcenter by adding more spacers on the bulkheads?

thaaaanks

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Jilles,

What traction compound u guys were using during:-

1) TITC 2009 (outdoor asphalt)
2) LRP TCM09 (indoor carpet)

And what's the best method to apply / wipe off?
And of coz the duration (mins before race / duration) and were tire warmer being used?

Thanks.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:24 PM
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Felix,

2mm or 1,5mm is a very small differents, you might try 2mm and then 1mm to feel the differents.

Jonest,
At the TITC we used Paragon Fx2
At the LRP masters we had to use as a control additive the LRP carpet 2 which works really good on the LRP tyre.
Normally on carpet we use either LRP carpet 2 or CS yellow.

For carpet I never use tyre warmer, apply the additive around 20min in the rear and 10min in front. If you still have too much steering I can advice to apply additive shorter time on the front.

FX2 at the TITC also without tyre warmer and for 5-10min.
Always wipe off the tyre so it's completely dry going on the track.

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How much of the front tire do you dope?
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does any one now if this fits on a TRF415?

http://rcmarket.com.hk/product_info....oducts_id=3438
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Originally Posted by mikky32
does any one now if this fits on a TRF415?

http://rcmarket.com.hk/product_info....oducts_id=3438
Of course not. The front pulley is in a different place on the 415 (center)...
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Jilles:

Have you ever loaded your 416 bumper with weight before? I saw a setup in a Japanese magazine that Satoshi Maezumi did with some weight between the plastic ad foam bumper. Wondering the effects of this and if you have messed with it.
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Originally Posted by ab1105
Jilles:

Have you ever loaded your 416 bumper with weight before? I saw a setup in a Japanese magazine that Satoshi Maezumi did with some weight between the plastic ad foam bumper. Wondering the effects of this and if you have messed with it.
I'll chime in a gain as well...
Given I'm running LiPo, thats where I have about 20g of weight stashed, helps to get the weight forward.
I also was originally runnig a Ti/Alu screw kit, but I switched out all the ti under chassis screws for the standard steel ones, as it get the weight nice and low, and also means you don't have to add extra weight around. It's not much, but it all helps to get the weight low

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Originally Posted by JGH

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I'm a little confused about your 1534 gr. As my 416 weight around 1400 gr. with titanium screws. When using JB inserts it's way under 1400 gr.
Yes Jilles, sorry for the confusion. it was 1434 grams on my 416WE
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Originally Posted by TryHard
I'll chime in a gain as well...
Given I'm running LiPo, thats where I have about 20g of weight stashed, helps to get the weight forward.
I also was originally runnig a Ti/Alu screw kit, but I switched out all the ti under chassis screws for the standard steel ones, as it get the weight nice and low, and also means you don't have to add extra weight around. It's not much, but it all helps to get the weight low

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I'm running 5 cell ni-mh cells. The weight under the bumper thing was for weight transfer purposes and perhaps more steering. Thats why i asked.
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Hi Jilles

Question about SP Motor. What timing do you use on carpet/asphalt track on 3.5 and 4.0 motors?
And what gearing you propose for 4.0T/5 cells on fast asphalt tracks?

Thank's
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Ballasting an area of the chassis does _not_ affect weight transfer.
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Originally Posted by adamge
Ballasting an area of the chassis does _not_ affect weight transfer.
Huh. Go to any stock car dirt track and watch them slide the weights up the roll cage as the track drys to do just that. As well ahead or behind the axle makes a difference in how weight transfer comes in.
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Well, since you brought up the technique of putting ballast at various heights on the chassis - which was never in play in this thread - I'll be more specific:

Where you put ballast on the lower chassis plate does _not_ affect weight transfer. It permanently affects weight distribution.
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