Awesomatix EP Touring Car (A700 Shaft Drive)
#3451
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#3456
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Hi all, I am just rebuilding my standard A700L for asphalt season and need some help:
I have never driven tc on asphalt so no idea what setup would be good to use. -or even start with, I have no time to test the car before next race.
The car has stock parts, no hop-upīs.(other then steel diff gears and the u-rings on shocks)
The track has low to med. grip. I guesstimate that track temp will be 20-30C -low 20īs most likely.
We use Sorex 32R tires premounted so stock inserts.
I just ordered tire heaters and have no idea of heating temp or time (and sauce or not).
I will drive on 10.5t pro stock(blinky) class.
I tested the car today with old sweep 28 carpet tires and the a700exl lowrc setup.(but with 6mm ground clearance)
It was a handful to drive...-some front bite(not much) but rear was sliding all over.
That is my only time on asphalt on this and have no idea where to go with setup. -I understand that the tires are 80& of the setup and sorex ones will change things but would like to get something close to ok setup to start with sorex 32 tires. -thinking maybe this http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/awes...swold20130504/
-Pate
I have never driven tc on asphalt so no idea what setup would be good to use. -or even start with, I have no time to test the car before next race.
The car has stock parts, no hop-upīs.(other then steel diff gears and the u-rings on shocks)
The track has low to med. grip. I guesstimate that track temp will be 20-30C -low 20īs most likely.
We use Sorex 32R tires premounted so stock inserts.
I just ordered tire heaters and have no idea of heating temp or time (and sauce or not).
I will drive on 10.5t pro stock(blinky) class.
I tested the car today with old sweep 28 carpet tires and the a700exl lowrc setup.(but with 6mm ground clearance)
It was a handful to drive...-some front bite(not much) but rear was sliding all over.
That is my only time on asphalt on this and have no idea where to go with setup. -I understand that the tires are 80& of the setup and sorex ones will change things but would like to get something close to ok setup to start with sorex 32 tires. -thinking maybe this http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/awes...swold20130504/
-Pate
#3457
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Hi Pate--
Did you use any traction compound?
Did the car get loose over time? Or was loose to start with?
What diff oil?
Things to try, assuming you applied traction compound--
- more rear toe in
- less front toe in
- less rear droop/more front droop
- thicker rear oil
- try a variety of shock/spring configs... Too many variations to list. Id start by increasing dampening on the front.
Mike
Did you use any traction compound?
Did the car get loose over time? Or was loose to start with?
What diff oil?
Things to try, assuming you applied traction compound--
- more rear toe in
- less front toe in
- less rear droop/more front droop
- thicker rear oil
- try a variety of shock/spring configs... Too many variations to list. Id start by increasing dampening on the front.
Mike
#3458
Tech Apprentice
Hi Pate--
Did you use any traction compound?
Did the car get loose over time? Or was loose to start with?
What diff oil?
Things to try, assuming you applied traction compound--
- more rear toe in
- less front toe in
- less rear droop/more front droop
- thicker rear oil
- try a variety of shock/spring configs... Too many variations to list. Id start by increasing dampening on the front.
Mike
Did you use any traction compound?
Did the car get loose over time? Or was loose to start with?
What diff oil?
Things to try, assuming you applied traction compound--
- more rear toe in
- less front toe in
- less rear droop/more front droop
- thicker rear oil
- try a variety of shock/spring configs... Too many variations to list. Id start by increasing dampening on the front.
Mike
I did not sauce the tires.(track was a bit dusty and thought the saucing would collect more dirt)
Diff was filled with 2000wt.(and 4 little steel gears)
Less toe in? -I never used toe in on front , .5 to 2 deg toe out is what I normally use.
I will try more toe in on the rear.
Thicker rear oil? -I guess you are saying diff oil since shocks cant be refilled.
I thought that 80wt-2k oil is the range to use?
I did try more droop(front and rear), and without stabilizers. both changes made the car handle worse.
So the lowrc setup I used should be close to the truth on asphalt?
(so I should try it with the new sorex tires before changing anything?)
-Pate
#3461
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#3464
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The problem is that I have to go straight to the race. Most likely I cant test anything before race day. Thatīs why I am trying to get the most accurate starter setup so I have half a chance in the race.
But looks like the lowrc is the way to try and go from there.
-Any thoughts about the tire warming? -how hot and how long is needed to get the most of the tires ?
(I have this on its way here and have never used any tire heaters)
Thanks for your help,
-Pate
But looks like the lowrc is the way to try and go from there.
-Any thoughts about the tire warming? -how hot and how long is needed to get the most of the tires ?
(I have this on its way here and have never used any tire heaters)
Thanks for your help,
-Pate
#3465
R/C Tech Elite Member
iTrader: (28)
i never used those warmers before. warmers generally work best w/ an oil-based traction compound. in the USA we have Gravity RC LG2, SXT #2, or Trinity Tire Tweak. In Europe I'm familiar with MR33 Marc Rheinard Outdoor Additive.
new tires often work best with a more aggressive/less oil/non greasy traction compound. this allows the tire to break in. In the US it would be either White Can or Black Can Paragon.
I'd recommend you try three things-
#1 without warmers on new tires. find a carpet-like, non-oil/greasy traction compound. apply on tires for 5 minutes, and then run.
#2 without warmers. applying a very little amount of an oil-based tire sauce (drops), and using your hands to work the sauce into the tires. let sit for 30 minutes before running.
#3 using warmers at 160 F/70 C, apply more oil-based tire sauce this time, and put a paper towel between the tire and warmers to prevent from making a mess. let bake for 30 minutes before running.
new tires often work best with a more aggressive/less oil/non greasy traction compound. this allows the tire to break in. In the US it would be either White Can or Black Can Paragon.
I'd recommend you try three things-
#1 without warmers on new tires. find a carpet-like, non-oil/greasy traction compound. apply on tires for 5 minutes, and then run.
#2 without warmers. applying a very little amount of an oil-based tire sauce (drops), and using your hands to work the sauce into the tires. let sit for 30 minutes before running.
#3 using warmers at 160 F/70 C, apply more oil-based tire sauce this time, and put a paper towel between the tire and warmers to prevent from making a mess. let bake for 30 minutes before running.