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Old 05-12-2014, 10:23 PM   #6391
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I believe we had one guy try them with the Integy gauges at the Halloween Classic and they worked for those as well.

Edit: Emailed the guy, and confirmed they will work on integy

they don't . but you can make it work ..
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:55 PM   #6392
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keep cool guys !

The new parts from Fun Parts are great, not a must have but makes the work a little easier. I have tested them and they do great!
We saw many people struggeling to setup the caster/ camber correctly. The doodles are fine, too I think many people like the "bling bling" effect so give the new tools a chance!

Here a small update what we learned at the first outdoor races:
I have tested at the Worlds Warm Up and now at the ETS race a lot. At the ETS, traction was quite high so I ended up with the Alloy chassis. The car was very very easy to drive, just had a little understeer compared to the "steerkomos... " The Yokomos were unbeliveable fast.
We used the new AM06M hubs allround. They provide the car more overall traction, more rotation.
The L carbon chassis is also a good basic to start testing. It has a little more steering compared to the alloy.
The raceberry is the most easiest to drive and is doing great on low/med grip asphalt. I recommend to use it always with topdeck.

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Old 05-13-2014, 12:13 AM   #6393
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Freddy,

Thanks for the info on setup. Any chance of your setup sheet from ETS?

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Nice Freddy, thanks for the info......
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keep cool guys !

The new parts from Fun Parts are great, not a must have but makes the work a little easier. I have tested them and they do great!
We saw many people struggeling to setup the caster/ camber correctly. The doodles are fine, too I think many people like the "bling bling" effect so give the new tools a chance!

Here a small update what we learned at the first outdoor races:
I have tested at the Worlds Warm Up and now at the ETS race a lot. At the ETS, traction was quite high so I ended up with the Alloy chassis. The car was very very easy to drive, just had a little understeer compared to the "steerkomos... " The Yokomos were unbeliveable fast.
We used the new AM06M hubs allround. They provide the car more overall traction, more rotation.
The L carbon chassis is also a good basic to start testing. It has a little more steering compared to the alloy.
The raceberry is the most easiest to drive and is doing great on low/med grip asphalt. I recommend to use it always with topdeck.

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Old 05-13-2014, 02:32 AM   #6395
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Following the original idea of a Caster doodle:



Here is a 3D CAD image of the commercial version by RPM:



Other option "SPECIAL GRUB SCREWS":


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Old 05-13-2014, 02:54 AM   #6396
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HI FREDDY,

THANKS FOR THE INFOS.
THE SETUP SHEET WOULD BE GREAT MAYBE WITH A PICTURE OF THE CAR
AS A LOT OF GUYS ARE RUN BLINKY HERE THE SETUP FROM OLIVER FRANKE WHO WAS FLYING AT THE ETS WOULD BE NICE.
HOPE TO SEE YOU IN LUXEMBURG ETS NEXT STOP.

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Old 05-13-2014, 03:22 AM   #6397
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Oleg will upload the setups soon, no problem
The track had high traction and the layout was technical.
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Thank you Freddy,

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What up Freddy!!! Hope to see you in the USA sometime soon. I'll probably come down during the worlds to watch the team do Maximum Good..
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Hey guys, If you are looking for a good tape for the FFG lubrication try
I have found it to be more durable and last longer than the Scotch Magic Tape.
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Hey guys, If you are looking for a good tape for the FFG lubrication try this.
I have found it to be more durable and last longer than the Scotch Magic Tape.
It doesn't show the tape.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:19 AM   #6402
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Hey guys,
I've ordered an aluminium chassis today, and have following question:
Did you raise everything with 1mm or just the gear boxes and the lower arms to keep the same rollcenter?
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I have measured the actual torsional stiffness (stiffness at twisting) of A700 Evo frame (with FFG installed) at different combinations of chassis, AM30-1 stiffener and C21 top deck.
The torsional stiffness of the frame region between the rear AM01 and front FFG bulkheads was measured.

Two variants of C21 top deck were used: the standard C21 and Cut C21 (with removed rear crosspiece).

Four variants of AM30-1 installation on C01AL chassis were used:
a). AM30-1 stiffener fully screwed with 5pcs of SF3x6 screws.
b). AM30-1F: AM30-1 screwed with the central SF3x6 screw and two SF3x6 screws in the front end holes. One SS3x8 set screw (grub screw) was used in the rear end hole of AM30-1.
c). AM30-1R: AM30-1 screwed with the central SF3x6 screw and two SF3x6 screws in the rear end holes. One SS3x8 set screw (grub screw) was used in the front end hole of AM30-1.
d). AM30-1C: AM30-1 screwed with the central SF3x6 screw only. Two SS3x8 set screws (grub screws) were used in the rear and front ends holes of AM30-1.

C01L chassis with FFG but without top deck was used as the reference point ( 100% of torsion stiffness).

The results:

1. C01L 3mm carbon chassis, no top deck: 100% ( reference point)
2. C01L 3mm carbon chassis + Cut C21 top deck: 141%
3. C01L 3mm carbon chassis + C21 top deck: 146%

4. C01AL alloy chassis, no AM30-1, no top deck: 110%
5. C01AL alloy chassis + AM30-1C, no top deck: 110%

Please note: AM30-1C variant of stiffener installation doesn’t increase the torsion stiffness and equals “no AM30-1” in terms of the torsional stiffness influence.
But AM30-1C increases the longitudinal stiffness for sure ( very positive influence) and is used as the inner battery holder also.
So I prefer to use AM30-1C on the car instead of “no AM30-1”.

6. C01AL alloy chassis + AM30-1F, no top deck: 126%
7. C01AL alloy chassis + AM30-1R, no top deck: 126%
8. C01AL alloy chassis + AM30-1, no top deck: 145%

Please note: AM30-1F and AM30-1R variants of stiffener installation provide the similar final torsional stiffness effect.
The difference is only in the distribution of the stiffness along the chassis but it is beyond of this investigation.

9. C01AL alloy chassis + Cut C21 + AM30-1C: 150%
10. C01AL alloy chassis + C21 + AM30-1C : 155%

Please note: the removing of the rear crosspiece on C21 top deck ( Cut C21 variant) reduces the overall stiffness on ~ 5%.

11. C01AL chassis + Cut C21 + AM30-1F or AM30-1R: 168%
12. C01AL chassis + C21 + AM30-1F or AM30-1R : 173%

13. C01AL chassis + Cut C21 + AM30-1: 197%
14. C01AL chassis + C21 + AM30-1: 202%

15. C01AL-H hard coated chassis provides ~ +5% increased stiffness at all mentioned combinations for alloy chassis.

Please note that C01Al/C01AL-H + AM30-1 + C21 combinations provide very wide range of the torsional stiffness ( torsional flex) for A700 Evo car.

It will be very interesting to compare the layouts with the similar flex provided by different elements at track tests , for example:
“ 3. C01L 3mm carbon chassis + C21 top deck: 146% “ and “ 8. C01AL alloy chassis + AM30-1, no top deck: 145%
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“ 8. C01AL alloy chassis +AM30-1, no top deck: 145% ” and “ 9. C01AL alloy chassis + Cut C21+AM30-1C: 150%
Hi Oleg,
your measurements of torsional stíffnesses are very interesting.
You set the reference point 100% for C01L 3mm carbon chassis and no top deck.
Is it possible to give the ca. %-value for the standard A700L with uncut top-deck and fixed setting with only 2 ST09 upper collars?
Would be very helpful as I would like to move the stadard flex settings from my A700L to my new Evo which I'm currently building.
Thanks in advance!
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Hey guys,
I've ordered an aluminium chassis today, and have following question:
Did you raise everything with 1mm or just the gear boxes and the lower arms to keep the same rollcenter?
Cheers
We have been just mounting everything straight to the chassis, no shims under anything except under the lower arms as indicated on whatever setup you are running.
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