F1 setup/tech discussion
#1
F1 setup/tech discussion
Ok, I just wanted to start something for F1 setup. The paint and build up threads are sweet, but I want to get into the racing end of it....
Does anyone have any experience with the difference between the F103GT front suspension (#51244)vs the regular F103 front suspension (#50503)? The GT front end has moving upper arms, vs the F103 arms just having kingpin movement, kinda like AE "new" front end vs the AE "old school" front end...
Does anyone have any experience with the difference between the F103GT front suspension (#51244)vs the regular F103 front suspension (#50503)? The GT front end has moving upper arms, vs the F103 arms just having kingpin movement, kinda like AE "new" front end vs the AE "old school" front end...
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Good idea for a thread -- the other F1 threads seem to be 98% about paint jobs. Nothing wrong with that, it just makes it hard to get tech info.
I've been running an F103RM on an outdoor asphalt track and have been having a ton of trouble getting it to handle worth a darn. It's set up according to the manual with the pivot ball rear suspension, and I think that's meant more for high-traction carpet racing or something. The car just has no forgiveness whatsoever -- the instant it starts to let go, it's gone. It turns in great but then oversteers like mad. I'm going to convert it to the O-ring suspension and give it another go.
I've been running an F103RM on an outdoor asphalt track and have been having a ton of trouble getting it to handle worth a darn. It's set up according to the manual with the pivot ball rear suspension, and I think that's meant more for high-traction carpet racing or something. The car just has no forgiveness whatsoever -- the instant it starts to let go, it's gone. It turns in great but then oversteers like mad. I'm going to convert it to the O-ring suspension and give it another go.
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reenmachine - you should have tighten up your rear damper disk, ie slower side pod movement will make the rear end more stable. you mentioned that you're running the pivot ball setup, i hope that you mean using 2 pivot balls for the t-bar and not the rearmost using pivot ball while the front using a o-ring setup. i've seen a f103rm using this setup, ie front of t-bar fitted with o-ring while rear part uses pivot ball....end result is the owner sold off the f103rm in less than 5 runs cos' it couldnt handle properly.
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Rob,
I used both the O Ring and pivot ball back many years ago and opted for the O Ring to use at Trackside. The pivot ball was too reactive in my opinion but once you tune the friction plate and shock it starts to work well.
At least the pivot ball is easier to set up tweak.
As for the front, again we tried the movable arms and came back to the king pin spindles. Some of us use ball point pen springs or the black Tamiya springs (I think). That was when Scotty had his old place.
Dave
I used both the O Ring and pivot ball back many years ago and opted for the O Ring to use at Trackside. The pivot ball was too reactive in my opinion but once you tune the friction plate and shock it starts to work well.
At least the pivot ball is easier to set up tweak.
As for the front, again we tried the movable arms and came back to the king pin spindles. Some of us use ball point pen springs or the black Tamiya springs (I think). That was when Scotty had his old place.
Dave
#7
I agree with tighten up the rear damper disk. I had the same oversteering problem on asphalt. one of the drivers tightend up my damper plate, and it made a world of difference.
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Ring vs balls.The balls are more reactive,as stated.The O rings will "dampen"/slow the motion of the rear.Used with the disc tightness/looseness,you can tune the roll in the corners vs straightening coming out of the turns(rear grip).Small tight/big sweeping tuning.I like the O rings with a loose disc...thick grease tho.Lotsa rear,with a smooth predictable roll.M
#9
What electronics are you guys running in your cars? Right now, I'm using some really cheap stuff to run my car. But I want to switch to some more highend equipment.
#11
Tech Master
Have a few questions on tuning these cars.
Can someone explain how the damper plate pressure & the centre shock effect the handling
Thanks
Can someone explain how the damper plate pressure & the centre shock effect the handling
Thanks
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When I win the lottery I am going to buy up all the NIB Sand Scorchers I can find. I'll build one for the shelf, one to run, and give the rest away to people like yourself who I know will appreciate them!
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Does anyone have any experience with the difference between the F103GT front suspension (#51244)vs the regular F103 front suspension (#50503)? The GT front end has moving upper arms, vs the F103 arms just having kingpin movement, kinda like AE "new" front end vs the AE "old school" front end...
The older type I’m referring to is the original F103 (two part) front end. I use the long kingpins (with three locations for e-clips) with a black spring. I put a small amount of Tamiya Hard grease on the king pin to give the front end more dampening. On the back side of the axel I use a set screw to secure the axel to the kingpin. This locks down the axel and nylon carrier, now the steering pivots on the kingpin. By doing this you can also eliminate the e-clip on the bottom side of the axle lowering the car a small amount. The car has always felt smooth and direct.