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Old 05-25-2010, 06:09 AM   #1381
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25.5 is the way to go. Our club is adopting an all 25.5 program. VTA, F1, RCGT Lites......all 25.5. The way we look at it; long term cost is actually less, performance is at least more consistant and serviceability is better. Overall, better bang for your buck.
I agree.
Was on the other side of the fence early this year but after a running the 540for a bit you will find that brushless is more cost effective.
If any sort of vote happens at my locals I will be pushing for the 25.5 brushless.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:59 AM   #1382
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I don't doubt that brushless is more cost effective. I run brushless in all but my F1 car. But here in the north bay the johnson motors are the rule. Because with brushless you can tamper with the timming among other things with today's speed controls. You would have to be on your honor, and for some that's hard to do. But I do agree, brushless is the way to go.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:48 AM   #1383
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Think I went through 6 or more 540J's so far.
A few we due to me pushing the gearing too far.

Others were either too worn out to compete or
the com got pushed back from impact.

There is also the option for the $50.00 18000rpm+ 540s you can buy.
So if a track can't/won't tech everyone for rpm you might be beat before you hit the track.

If clubs agree to vta style rules (spec esc and spec motor choices) things will be good to go.The cars are different enough to where it won't be "spec" racing.

I am not a soapbox sort of guy but I will speak my mind if the subject comes up. Stuck my foot in my mouth about this debate in the winter (was a die-hard 540 fan) but I see the light now.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:15 AM   #1384
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If F1 went with ROAR's sportsman esc rules, it would probably work out.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:27 PM   #1385
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An age old problem but one thats getting better. VTA rules requiring the Novak "spec" esc's and motors limit all that mumbo jumbo. Motor timing is then the ONLY variable assuming the driver has the Ballistic 25.5 but thats easy to tech.


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I don't doubt that brushless is more cost effective. I run brushless in all but my F1 car. But here in the north bay the johnson motors are the rule. Because with brushless you can tamper with the timming among other things with today's speed controls. You would have to be on your honor, and for some that's hard to do. But I do agree, brushless is the way to go.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:32 PM   #1386
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An age old problem but one thats getting better. VTA rules requiring the Novak "spec" esc's and motors limit all that mumbo jumbo. Motor timing is then the ONLY variable assuming the driver has the Ballistic 25.5 but thats easy to tech.
I would much prefer to run brushless over 540J, but until TCS goes totally brushless, I am staying put. I dont want to have to swap that stuff in and out of the car all the time, and have to have 2 different setups for the different motor/speedo combos
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BP SHADOW, did you ever finish that McLaren body yet?
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:51 PM   #1388
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imho...
Silvercans were the way to go when the alternative were high maintenance brushed motors.
What we have now with BL, and lipo, 20-30 min runs, over and over and over again, with no loss in power, no maintenance.

Just seems BL is the way to go, I guess it just takes time for everyone to agree on how to do it.
21.5 is working very well in So Cal, both corked and uncorked
no timing or boost 21.5 = same speed as Silvercan, but without the slowing due to heat.

I would not want to run an F1 car any slower than that, at some tracks we run the 21.5 with boost, full boost is more than my ability can handle, but that's what makes an F1 car fun, mini is a better spec class than F1.
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Please don't dumb down the F1 class. Nothing less than a 21.5 bl with no esc restrictions should be considered for outdoor tracks. There are plenty of the dumnbed down classes one can choose from already. It seems the recent trend is to base the need for slower speeds on the indoor small carpet tracks, which don't translate to the much larger outdoor tracks.
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This discussion really doesn't hold any water. The only reason anyone runs just the 540 motor is because of TCS. Each track can do what's best for them, 21.5, 25.5, full boost, whatever. I only mentioned what ROAR is doing because it seems there are a large amount of guys who like the 540s because it's economical when no one pushes the envelope. Personally, I say it's FORMULA ONE....see what you can hold onto....MUAHAHAHA
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This discussion really doesn't hold any water. The only reason anyone runs just the 540 motor is because of TCS. Each track can do what's best for them, 21.5, 25.5, full boost, whatever. I only mentioned what ROAR is doing because it seems there are a large amount of guys who like the 540s because it's economical when no one pushes the envelope. Personally, I say it's FORMULA ONE....see what you can hold onto....MUAHAHAHA
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:43 PM   #1392
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BP SHADOW, did you ever finish that McLaren body yet?
wings are done and on the car, but i need to paint the body, ended up not goin to the first race
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This discussion really doesn't hold any water. The only reason anyone runs just the 540 motor is because of TCS. Each track can do what's best for them, 21.5, 25.5, full boost, whatever. I only mentioned what ROAR is doing because it seems there are a large amount of guys who like the 540s because it's economical when no one pushes the envelope. Personally, I say it's FORMULA ONE....see what you can hold onto....MUAHAHAHA
I really wish that Fred would take all of TCS brushless, it would be so nice. But the whole Tekin debacle is what has held up the progress of that.
IMO, what needs to happen is that the software needs to be done so it can play on anyones ESC, its not about limiting the speed or even the cost of the speedo, its the fact that to be competitive with brushless at the moment, you have to run a tekin, so you are locked or you are slow. If you could run the Tekin software , or something like it on any speedo, that would eliminate the problems with brushless.
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+1 my F1 brother
+2. RC F1 should be like real F1; maximum performance for a true test of driver skill. What is it with everyone these days with wanting to make things slow? This is racing, we're supposed to be going fast!!!
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Going slow is good for the group. Going fast is good for the two or three that can handle it.

Economics show that groups of people racing keep tracks in business. A track or club can't survive on two or three entry fees a weekend.

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