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Old 05-13-2013, 04:56 PM   #8296
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Doesn't really matter. Its been proven over and over regardless of the compound, the process in which they were made, the temperature of the mold, the sexual exhaustion of the guy pushing the button, etc etc the pit tires are faster than the tcs tires.
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As I have stated before, and have been confirmed by the folks who worked on the project. They are the same compound.
It is possible that:

On the day Tamiya ordered the tires they were the same compound as the pits and then after Pit made the Tamiya tires Pit slightly changed the compound of their tire?


I have similar input as Marcus: my broken in pits have a funny wave and my TCS pits have a more normal scrubbed look

If you look here, just to show I do race and know alittle:
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you can see I finished 6th overall and I missed one race of the 4.
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Doesn't really matter. Its been proven over and over regardless of the compound, the process in which they were made, the temperature of the mold, the sexual exhaustion of the guy pushing the button, etc etc the pit tires are faster than the tcs tires.

LOL!! thank you!

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It is possible that:

On the day Tamiya ordered the tires they were the same compound as the pits and then after Pit made the Tamiya tires Pit slightly changed the compound of their tire?


I have similar input as Marcus: my broken in pits have a funny wave and my TCS pits have a more normal scrubbed look

If you look here, just to show I do race and know alittle:
http://www.rcfia.com/championship/
you can see I finished 6th overall and I missed one race of the 4.
Jay I know your trying to play nice but they have never been the same, I have original 572's and TCS and they are all the same. Rtype just likes to argue about nothing and for no reason
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I have never used or held in my hand a tcs tire but I have been using pit tires on f103's and f104's since before the tcs tire was available. The pit tires on both wheel types always have and continue to get that cool wavey texture during break-in. This is on carpet and asphalt using black can paragon.
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Old 05-13-2013, 05:21 PM   #8300
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LOL!! thank you!



but they have never been the same, I have original 572's and TCS and they are all the same. Rtype just likes to argue about nothing and for no reason
I'll agree to disagree.

By the way funny post about my sisters uncle's beat friend. That was hilarious because it was so close the truth
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Maybe the molder does something different to make sure the lettering doesn't fall off accidentally when the tires get pulled out of the mold.... Like spray the mold with PAM or something.
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I'll agree to disagree.

By the way funny post about my sisters uncle's beat friend. That was hilarious because it was so close the truth

That is funny!
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:32 PM   #8303
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Hi everyone I am looking for a unpainted Tamiya FW11B Body and a Ferrari 412T1 Body,

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PIT/TCS rear tire testing:
85* ambient temperature
75% humidity
112* track temp
unprepped asphalt

Each tire was coated with SWEEP tire conditioner at the same time and left uncovered all night.
Each set was run hard for exactly 10 minutes on fresh packs
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Just like i stated in the beginning of this whole thing the tires are different, the PIT's have this strange wavy texture to them that was not there in the beginning and the center stripe is still there. The TCS tires have a slightly grainy texture and the stripe is almost gone indicating that they are in fact softer than the hard 572. So in conclusion I think it is safe to say that the compounds are NOT the same. I rest my case
Lap time difference?
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:29 PM   #8305
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Lap time difference?
Unprepped track , two days of rain so track was not good for fast laps. I only scrubbed tires today. It takes about 20min of track time before the tires are fast. On a good day the TCS tires are 2-3 tenths slower on avg.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:43 PM   #8306
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Were you gluing under the lip or just the edge?
Both...its a real pain pealing back the overlap to get glue up to the horizontal part of the rim but that's what I did. Then the excess glued down the lip around the outside of the rim. The lip itself is much too thin to reliably hold the tire to the rim.
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Both...its a real pain pealing back the overlap to get glue up to the horizontal part of the rim but that's what I did. Then the excess glued down the lip around the outside of the rim. The lip itself is much too thin to reliably hold the tire to the rim.
Not really, thats all i ever glue!
these are my TCS' that i ran the entire season, the tear happened two weeks ago when i somehow traction rolled on asphalt

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Whenever I run new TCS and Pit tires, sometimes the wavy pattern appears and sometimes it doesn't...depending on track conditions. Still, they are the same compound
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As I have stated before, and have been confirmed by the folks who worked on the project. They are the same compound.
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I rest my case
Dude! He said he was gonna go away and rest and you got him and his self appreciation started again.
We're not worthy.
While we're blowing the self appreciation horns, the fast lap at UF1's last race at Tamiya was on TCS rears. Just sayin.
Rtype, were you running them to turn the fastest lap at the Speedtech Grand Club Race too?
Track had to be Texas hot if you ask me.
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Dude! He said he was gonna go away and rest and you got him and his self appreciation started again.
We're not worthy.
While we're blowing the self appreciation horns, the fast lap at UF1's last race at Tamiya was on TCS rears. Just sayin.
Rtype, were you running them to turn the fastest lap at the Speedtech Grand Club Race too?
Track had to be Texas hot if you ask me.
Dont hate on me because you didnt notice the difference in the first place, thats a you problem not a we problem

The fastest lap and track record here at our last UF1 race was set on pits so whats your point exactly???

I never said the TCS were bad I just said they were different, clear off the fog on your reading glasses and get your facts straight!
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Just because your sisters, uncles best friend that works at Tamiya say so means nothing!! Maybe PIT pulled a fast one on Tamiya I have shown you proof that they are not and you have only attempted to argue by keyboard with ZERO proof except hearsay!! Post some pics, show some proof! By all means prove me wrong. I have gone out of my way and conducted what i believe is about as accurate as i can do with out and actual material sample that they are not the same. If you choose not to believe than so be it but if so you are simply blind or your computer screen needs cleaning
So we have several answers to choose from here:

Tamiya is lying about the tires.

Pit is lying about what they are supplying Tamiya.

The tires are the same.

I'm pretty sure they are the same. I'm also pretty sure the batches are different, since Pit is removing or adding a logo piece to the mold to get the TCS in the side. I can tell you that for example, HPI Trans am tires have had batches that were definitely harder than others. It's not like these guys are selling 10,000 tires a month. It's entirely possible you are getting the same tires, especially if you are buying them from the same place or you have several sets new in bag and are just mounting them.
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