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Old 05-01-2013, 12:09 PM   #8026
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Anyone know what happened to the d-drivesportsenglish site? it's been under construction for months...
They have closed the international online store. The website has been down for a long time.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:13 PM   #8027
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They have closed the international online store. The website has been down for a long time.
Oh, damn. Do they still produce stuff? I remember back in the day they were making a few custom parts
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What are the holes on the brake disc for? Did they do that in the 60's? (Sorry, just being a smarta$$) Anyway, sign me up! You're doing the front and rear?
Yep they sure did Manny They did it to save on unsprung weight are you crazy! Sure will do.
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Hi everyone, The Age Old Question? 14mm to 12mm rear hubs & F103, 04, Pro, ..... Front Knuckles & Axles for 12mm Hubs?


Look nice, Marty! I have made adapters like your first design in the past. I drilled the wheel to accept a flanged bearing to support the wheel on a wider base. Works well but then the wheels are modified.

Yes I have did the same thing - I have that design mounted on HPI Orange Aluminum F10 arms, I used a small shim to keep the nut from stopping the wheel.

Let's do some brainstorming on making some front adapters similar to your rears for the front. It would be great to just use the F104 type parts and the VTA wheels!!

Sounds Good to me, for I did the F103GT and even made my own arms and installed the F103GT Axles and bearings, fact is I used it on a pan car back in 2005 - 06.

I used the Tammy GT rear diff and rear adapters which are 12mm and it works out to 190 mm wide with the VTA wheels. This would be a simpler and likey cheaper solution.

Used that setup back in the day, you might be right. It may very well be the best way to go But I do what I do cause I have nothing else to do and I am Crazy!!

Have you laid out the width on the front end with this type of adapter and the different width arms? I think it may require the narrow F104 arms to get downt to 190mm.

No I sold all of my F1 gear about 2 - 3 years ago if not longer. I still need to get all the diff, front ends.

One suggestion-The disks on most of these cars were not inside the wheels as they are today. They were inboard of the wheel in the airflow. Consider moving the disk inboard for more realism!!

Sure or next to the diff at the output shafts. But it sounds good as well.

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I would say this was the most fun I ever had with a pan car Well my own, the last car I designed built and ran.





I am up for any and all Ideas Ned Lets get this done! I have been working on this for years.
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Hi everyone, The Age Old Question? 14mm to 12mm rear hubs & F103, 04, Pro, ..... Front Knuckles & Axles for 12mm Hubs?


I have looked at the 3racing FGX Manual and the Tamiya F104 Manuals.

Hub Adapters? for 14mm rear hubs and std, Tamiya front Axles and bearings? Hubs? Knuckles? Axles? What is the best way to go here.

Its not that hard to make this work.

What Ideas do all of you have?

CAN we get a count on how many we would need?

here are mine (without testing anything) ok.

Make or have them made, 14mm hex hub ID. and a 12mm Hex OD. it should look like a brake disc - the 12mm hex (outer) should be around 4.5mm thick and the 14mm hex pocket (inner)should be 12.192mm deep.

Front Hubs: Ned's Idea The FGX F103GT might or be the best way to go. I have my Hub adapters and yes it take a little to make them fit. but the cost is next to nothing.







So any more Ideas,

Getting a price on having these made.
I would go for a pair too! One question: Will there be enoug hthread left to fix the wheel with the screw? Please check everything

By the way: the weather was acceptable in Germany today and I took out my F104v2 with the Lotus 49 body and it was horrible! I had super soft rubber tires on it and it was like driving on ice. The balance was ok, mostly understeer. The look on track is awesome!!! Looks like real, some old guys of our club had some flashbacks xD
Next time I have to try foam tires to get some grip. Otherwise it looks like Jim Clark sleeps in his car and not like F1.
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Hi WTCC I will test everything I know the F/wheel adapters work, when the test parts get her we will know more at that time ok, as for the F104 running like on ice outdoors well most of the F1 Tamiya cars and Pan car were like that. I my post above that CRC outside was trash! I made the front and rear hub adapter 190 or 200mm widths for that car, well it was a blast to run! 100% better than stock and the same setup on my last cars were outstanding! This is why I have been looking at making this work.

yeah I know geez will he ever shut up (Right)

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Sorry I forgot - The space is 2mm maybe 3 mm it would be the with of the disc in the picture above ok. so there should be more than enough room, I will post a pic in a few ok.


here in this picture, you can see the front hub adapter that is (1) 12mm hex 9.398mm wide then there is a (2) 3mm wide spacer and the (3) 14mm Hub and it is 12.698 wide and with the wheel on, I know the F103's right side shaft is longer than the F104 (looks like it in the Manual)? but it should work on it as well.
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I wanna put VTA tires on my CRC WGT chassis!!
I have a couple of Panoz GT1 bodies that would be AWESOME looking with USGT wheels/tires as intermediates.

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R2Hobbies was down for a "4 hour update" for about 24 hours (that I was checking). Not sure if they're back up or not.
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Oh, damn. Do they still produce stuff? I remember back in the day they were making a few custom parts
BP might still have some of the good F103 parts in his web store.
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No Scott, it will all come down to how many is made and what they will be made out of, Nylon I would guess it would be the cheapest, then plastic, last Aluminum, but I should know in the next 48 to 72 hours.

I do not think it will be all that much, the design, setup & run time is what coasts the most. no, matter what the part is made from.

@ David I knew you would be in for a set.
Use Delrin Marty, cheap to machine and cost less than Aluminum
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Use Delrin Marty, cheap to machine and cost less than Aluminum
Oh I'm not doing the work! I sold everything years ago. sure my health lets me still do some things but this is all stuff I have had sitting around for years now. I started this and never finished it.

Heck Mantis I was going to ask if you could or if you knew anyone that could do this.

I have a old friend giving me a price on a few test pieces and a idea of the cost on 25, 50, 100 piece lot, and yes your right Delrin would be the best.

Any help from anyone is fine also!!
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You could always have one printed first to see if it will work before you get a bunch of them machined.
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You could always have one printed first to see if it will work before you get a bunch of them machined.
Yes I could Promod, but the last time I checked it wasn't that cheap.
if you know someone that can do it for us LMK.
till then I will see what my buddy has for me.

Thanks for the help Promod!
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Not much time for now but I wanted to show you my adapter mockup and let you know that I believe WTCC is correct, the exixting threaded stud for the wheel nut will not be long enough. A simple fix is to drill and tap the existing adapter and put a longer stud. (Hope the material is thick enough!)


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It looks like its about 2mm short of being even so about 3mm to 5mm additional should work. (My 12mm adapter hex is about 2mm wider than it needs to be to fit the VTA wheels.)

Oh yeah, May I suggest making the outside of the 14mm hex a round section, even if you don't incorporate my other suggestion of moving the disk to the inside. ;-)
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Not much time for now but I wanted to show you my adapter mockup and let you know that I believe WTCC is correct, the exixting threaded stud for the wheel nut will not be long enough. A simple fix is to drill and tap the existing adapter and put a longer stud. (Hope the material is thick enough!)

It looks like its about 2mm short of being even so about 3mm to 5mm additional should work. (My 12mm adapter hex is about 2mm wider than it needs to be to fit the VTA wheels.)

Oh yeah, May I suggest making the outside of the 14mm hex a round section, even if you don't incorporate my other suggestion of moving the disk to the inside. ;-)
Wow Ned! Outstand! nice mockup! I see your right looks better with the disc moved inward, I have only been back at this for a few weeks, So ley me ask are you sure with that axle setup in the car will bring you out to 190mm, I am just asking because I don't have all of the Tamiya parts yet.

I must say I like your work buddy!

Here are my Rear Pan Car hub adapters, These are the prototypes, this is a bolt mount 12mm adapter, this will work for our design. the silver base was much bigger I did it like a disc but you couldn't see it in the pan car wheel LOL



Better picture here: http://lee2763.smugmug.com/Other/f/2...gDkGf&lb=1&s=O
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