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Old 10-18-2011, 11:08 PM   #3106
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I have some hub adapters to run Pro10 wheels on my F104Pro. Haven't run them yet. The only reason I want to run them is cause the other class I run is Pro10, so it would be heaps easier running the 1 type of wheel and I can swap and change when i need to.
Where did you get the hubs,Im interested in them for a different chassis.
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Terry, 3racing just release their 190mm F1 FGX that's even more representative of real F1 cars. Should we stop racing F104's & F109's now, and switch to 190mm cars, or just welcome them to the F1 club ????
The car isn't quite out, or I'd have ordered one. Yes, allow them all. Set the rules and have fun. The new car is a high nose config. By the recommendations on the specifications page it looks like 3Racing is suggesting rubber tires with foam as an option. I will finally have to run the newer body types. We can only hope the new car has a nice body and wing kit representative of a real F1 car.
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:48 AM   #3108
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Im am intersted what chassis you were runing. Maybe the F103 and the Tamiya F104?
The Tamiya F104 has the rear pivot screw in the wrong place. Change the position and you will see a very big change in the car. Not TCS legal but its not just the tires on the F104 that makes it handle the way.
There are many convesion kits that do this, but just moveing the screw foward a half an inch really changes the car.
That year there was an F103 class and an F104 class, both using foam tires.

We were actually removing the center pivot screw on the 104 and using a round neoprene foam glued over the screw hole to create a pivot and keep the ride height. The car was WAY better like this. We were not told it was illegal at that time, but the ruling came down later this was not ok.

My buddy did do one miracle lap with his 104 .2 off what the F103s were doing.
On average though, it was .3-.4
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:53 AM   #3109
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We were actually removing the center pivot screw on the 104 and using a round neoprene foam glued over the screw hole to create a pivot and keep the ride height. The car was WAY better like this. We were not told it was illegal at that time, but the ruling came down later this was not ok.
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Where did you get the hubs,Im interested in them for a different chassis.
Pan Car/World GT wheel hubs for F103/F104

Really good quality! Can't wait to give them a go.
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Terry, 3racing just release their 190mm F1 FGX that's even more representative of real F1 cars. Should we stop racing F104's & F109's now, and switch to 190mm cars, or just welcome them to the F1 club ????
Since when did 190mm equal 1.8m at 1:10th scale? That is not more representative! I recommend you go check the FIA rules for car dimensions. Btw.. Full size F1's have been 1.8m wide for over 13years, switched in 1998!

IMO, 3racing have made a big error with that size. Personally, I wouldn't allow it in a realistic class, simply due to width.

Look at all the other successful classes out there. TC, 8th gas, 8th buggy, 12th... All of them have some basic dimension rules that need to be adhered to. Without that, and general non-consensus will only condem the class to being a flash in the pan again.

It'll only be a monopoly class as long as Companies don't produce similar cars... But it has to start somewhere, and in a fair manner.
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Look at all the other successful classes out there. TC, 8th gas, 8th buggy, 12th... All of them have some basic dimension rules that need to be adhered to. Without that, and general non-consensus will only condem the class to being a flash in the pan again.
Haven't those rules or specs changed over time at the manufacturers' urging?
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Haven't those rules or specs changed over time at the manufacturers' urging?
Maybe some detailed specifics.. but I'm pretty sure TC has been 190mm wide for a long long time! same for 12th and so on... well, not 190mm, but you get my point.
Only one that kinda is the odd ball is WorldGT, but even then, everyone knows that's it's 200mm, and thats it. 235mm is Pro10... why is it so hard for such a dimension to be accepted for F1?
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I have seen 200mm bodies participate in pro10 races amongst the 235mm cars, with no issues at all, and some are ahead of the pack too...why is F1 different ? The Tamiya factor !!!!
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I have seen 200mm bodies participate in pro10 races amongst the 235mm cars, with no issues at all, and some are ahead of the pack too...why is F1 different ? The Tamiya factor !!!!
Use your eyes and re-read my post... I didn't say anything about not letting 200mm run with 235's... but you look at any rule book, World GT had a MAXIMUM width of 200mm, Pro10 a MAXIMUM width of 235mm... simple really.

Tamiya factor...you forget that there is perfectly good options out there that are not Tamiya at that width (Formula10 for example). So get off your high horse.
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You are reading wrong brother, my post was in support of your point that Wgt and pro10 got their affairs in order while including everybody, but F1 did not.....why isn't a Maximum width in F1 also instead of exactly 180mm ???
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Maybe some detailed specifics.. but I'm pretty sure TC has been 190mm wide for a long long time! same for 12th and so on... well, not 190mm, but you get my point.
Only one that kinda is the odd ball is WorldGT, but even then, everyone knows that's it's 200mm, and thats it. 235mm is Pro10... why is it so hard for such a dimension to be accepted for F1?
Offroad is a perfect example of where the "scales" have morphed over time, and compared to all the onroad classes they have a participation advantage, and I think they've retained an advantage because the manufacturers have been allowed to grow the cars to make them better. 12th scales went from 6-cell to 4-cell, things changed. TC has changed from its early days, yet you also have TC classes that have now turned themselves into a one-body class, so you have a bunch of like-looking globules running around. Uniform to an extent, but they all look alike and I don't see the class growing or attracting new people.
I tend to think that the biggest factor going against F1 gaining a good permanent foothold is all the bellowing for standarization, tire type whining, or demanding they all me just like Tamiyas, and without some acceptance of other brands the whole class will be pigeon holed into the same small hole and small number of participants there has been in the past.
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I think they need to come up with two classes to please everybody : rubber(180mm to 190mm) and foam(200mm maximum width) ! This way everybody participates...
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The Tamiya factor !!!!
It is more of a 1/10th scale factor. 190 and above is not to scale, unless you use some weird math. I am not sure why this is so hard for manufactures to understand.
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