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Old 09-01-2010, 05:31 PM   #1726
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Man I had a great time hanging with you guys at the nats. It sure did hurt to find out my setup was not legal. Like Vyger said on saturday Cuda, Your car looked super consistent. Two Thumbs Up My Friend.
Todd, looked like your car was much better on Sunday... too little, too late as they say. (but still good times )

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Old 09-01-2010, 06:53 PM   #1727
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Just a question I've been wanting to ask.

I keep reading about the 104 and its supposed tire limitations vs. 103 or 109 and their wider tires.

Unless you're in a TCS race, why not put the wider tires on the F104 if you're mixing car manufacturers and designs in a race?
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:49 PM   #1728
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A 103 front end and 103 rears are fine on the 104. You have to use both, or the car will be way off, however.
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Old 09-01-2010, 08:38 PM   #1729
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Yeah congrats to Cuda and all the other podium finishers as well. I really wish I could have been out there to race with you guys, but it was not to be.
Hopefully there will be a reversal of fortunes over the next 12months and I will be on the grid come August
BP SHADOW, Sorry you missed it Dude. I know you would have given them hell on the Track and in Concours.
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:23 PM   #1730
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A 103 front end and 103 rears are fine on the 104. You have to use both, or the car will be way off, however.
I'm using 103 rears and 104 fronts on my F104 with no problem--the car has won two A mains with that setup. Just got to use the correct compounds--the dbl star tires front and rear are available for 103 and 104 wheels.
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:29 PM   #1731
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Hi,

Is the HPI F10 competitive with proper set up?
I plan on running it on concrete (street condition) with slick tyres.
Will it be better that the Tamiyas?

Im choosing this because of parts support, price, cowled chassis and rubber tyre use.

Thanks

BTW I also have the F109 which is bouncing on the surface Im running on.
Rubber tyres coming soon.
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:32 PM   #1732
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Hi,

Is the HPI F10 competitive with proper set up?
I plan on running it on concrete (street condition) with slick tyres.
Will it be better that the Tamiyas?

Im choosing this because of parts support, price, cowled chassis and rubber tyre use.

Thanks

BTW I also have the F109 which is bouncing on the surface Im running on.
Rubber tyres coming soon.
If it's bouncing your setup is just not right. Try stiffer shock spring--front spring too.
The HPI F10 is VERY competitive with the right upgrades. New Diff--stiffer front springs and JUNK the stock steering linkage. But guys have got them going REALLY fast here--and their rubber tires are STICKY to say the least--both A and B compounds work very well.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:19 PM   #1733
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Ok, Im checking some reviews. How come I dont see any front springs?
http://www.rcracer.com/on-road-elect...ng-formula-ten

How can it have front suspension action? Im really cautious about HPI kits, I bought a cup racer many months ago and hated it's design and engineering, eventually sold it. Now Im eyeing for the F10 since I really want to use slicks.
Will a standard 7.2 stick pack fit in without any mods? The batt compartment seems narrow. My f109 is bouncing with stock set up on street pavement. I will try harder springs later.

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Well the HPI F10 kit is VERY CHEAP plastic kit!!!! It needs a LOT of hopups and chassis stiffening to make it work well. The rubber tires they came out with are outstanding though!!
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Todd, looked like your car was much better on Sunday... too little, too late as they say. (but still good times )

John
Yeah Bud, As the story Goes.

All in all, I had a great time hanging with you and the crew.

I'm thinking I might need to fly out for the Regionals at Aliso Viejo. I'm all in, now if I can only convince Jeff to come out with me,I might have a shot at Making the A Main.

Steve Hickman told me early this year he was going to forgo most of the TCS REGIONAL EVENTS in order to get in shape for the Nats. All I can say is "it looked like he made the right decision". 3rd place is not bad for an old man.

Cuda and Steve, You guys really put on a show in the third main. Nice Wheelmanship guys.

Thank You to the staff of Tamiya America for putting on a great event...And Thanks for the bringing F1 back to the TCS.

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My crystal ball sees F103's and F104's again for the Regionals.

Oh wait, that's just my wish list.

I'd run em both, foam 103 and rubber 104.

Heck, if the rubber that's on the Wolf and Lotus kits works we'll have fat rubber for the 103 or could even allow the combo 104/103 chassis that's under them to run.

That is unless those 2 new kits are just for lookin at.
That would be a shame.

RobK, thought you'd be settled down before the end of qualifying, looked like it ran kinda hot and cold huh?
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Never got the tire deal figured out
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:56 AM   #1738
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OK, so i got my 109 friday and ran it saturday and the car is incredilbe! but there are some things that i want to improve on and one of them has been discussed before but im going to bring it up again....sorry! but the rear wing mounted on the back of the motor pod is not a good idea. Any downforce that you get actually raises the the chassis. i am a mini-z F1 specialist and we had the same problem with them, they would actually handle better without the wing (makes sense) so what i did is designed a wing mount that actually mountes to the chassis and not the pod http://shop.mantisworx.com/FORMULA-O...-MWX-WM001.htm , the results were incredible, you would actually get high speed push! so much that i had to design a new front wing to compensate for it http://shop.mantisworx.com/FRONT-WIN...X-FW002-V2.htm . now the mini-z are fast but not near as fast as 10th scale so i know that it will do wonders for the bigger cars. i should have some sort of working prototype by the end of the week.
the front end is also a problem as i dont think it does much except bounce around and maybe compress slightly in high speed turns. i designed a really killer front suspension for the mini-z http://shop.mantisworx.com/F1-TRI-LI...WX-TLS-001.htm so i will come up with a double wishbone front suspension with some sort of a oil shock activated by either cantilevers or direct compression depending on what i come up with at the time. i dont have massive amounts of experience with the 10th scale F1 but i have years of experience with the mini-z's so pleas chime in on this subject and maybe we can come out with an awesome front end together!

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The new Yokomo world champ 1/12 car is the first time in 30 years a double wishbone and damper front end has really been successful over a strut or sliding kingpin front end on a pan car. There have been a lot of attempts (AE, Delta, HPI, Trinity, among others) but nothing has overcome these basic front ends until now. It remains to be seen if it will really take off with the public, or if it is a bit of a one race wonder.

HPI did in fact have a double wishbone front end on the Super F1 from the 90's, however most drivers locked out the lower link and moved the spring to the king pin similar to an Associated front end.

With an F1, there are a lot of space and weight issues- even more than pro12 and pro 10, so the basic front ends have been dominant.

As far as the rear wings, there is going to be a problem with pod interference. The pictures of the mini z stuff make it hard to tell what is going on, but there is a good amount of articulation on the f109 for example. I'm not sure how you can get from the chassis to the back of the pod and not have interference. The 1/10 oval pan guys get around this by mounting to the body, but that probably is not an option for F1.
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The new Yokomo world champ 1/12 car is the first time in 30 years a double wishbone and damper front end has really been successful over a strut or sliding kingpin front end on a pan car. There have been a lot of attempts (AE, Delta, HPI, Trinity, among others) but nothing has overcome these basic front ends until now. It remains to be seen if it will really take off with the public, or if it is a bit of a one race wonder.

HPI did in fact have a double wishbone front end on the Super F1 from the 90's, however most drivers locked out the lower link and moved the spring to the king pin similar to an Associated front end.

With an F1, there are a lot of space and weight issues- even more than pro12 and pro 10, so the basic front ends have been dominant.

As far as the rear wings, there is going to be a problem with pod interference. The pictures of the mini z stuff make it hard to tell what is going on, but there is a good amount of articulation on the f109 for example. I'm not sure how you can get from the chassis to the back of the pod and not have interference. The 1/10 oval pan guys get around this by mounting to the body, but that probably is not an option for F1.
Interesting, i am working on a mount design right now that should work with minimal interference with the pod. Funny you say that there is not much room on the f1, compared to the mini-z there is plenty of room! if you think about it there is not much suspension movement so a large shock is not really needed, i wonder what the problem with the double wishbone is? you think it is just development? i cant imagine that it cant be made to work properly.
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