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Old 10-21-2002, 10:53 PM   #1276
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ok update guys ........on my setup ......
i finally got it to run *ALMOST* like i want it to ...

its not exactly but its real close....

i gained some *extra* stearing and a lot of rear end grip ...

all i changed was the 50w oul to 30w in the rear ...
and placed spacers under the rear A-arm holders....

front rear 3mm
rear rear 2mm ....

preety cool for the moment and will be trying more options when i need to ...

but 1st i gota bring the curent setup to the track to have it verified by pitting up agains other cars
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Old 10-21-2002, 10:55 PM   #1277
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CONGRS on getting ur setup done on ur 414m,...
looks like we will b meeting this weekend...hehee
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Old 10-22-2002, 12:10 AM   #1278
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ty ty ty *bows*

hehehe btw .... the car is for tarmac only .... on cement (bb court) not sure how it will feel like
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Old 10-22-2002, 01:55 PM   #1279
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Hi guys,

I'm new here just registered. I'm from Belgium in Europe.

I stopped racing a couple of years ago but I'm about to start again. So I'm looking around on what to buy. I was even looking at nitro, must've been in a coma for while I guess .

Anyway I decided to stay with Tamiya. So now I need to decide which model.

1. What should I buy? TRF414M? TRF414M2? TRF414M-WRC?

2. What needs to be changed to the trf414m2? Or does it have all the goodies out of the box? Are the pulleys ok? Dampers? Suspension arms?

3. How about fitting more alu or titanium parts? Which manufactures should I look at?

4. Is it true that the WRC has all titanium screws?

5. What is the actual difference between all the three models? M and MII just color?

Thanks for the feedback,
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Old 10-22-2002, 07:04 PM   #1280
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Hi dudes,
recently having problems with my centre one way, it keeps seizing up i.e. becomes a solid pulley. I had to apply quite a bit of force on the front belt to make it move again. Any thoughts about why this could happen? I already tried another centre one way, and it seizes too. I've cleaned and oiled 'em. Only thing I changed recently was a new front belt as the old one finally split...

Appreciate any thoughts!

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Old 10-22-2002, 07:40 PM   #1281
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Hello all we i have some news, i was a solid yokomo guy for a long time and since they never came out with a newer car i had to give in. So i now own a 414MII i also have a japan version on order from a friend over seas. I hope i can do justice with this car.

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Old 10-22-2002, 07:52 PM   #1282
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Hi guys,

I'm new here just registered. I'm from Belgium in Europe.

I stopped racing a couple of years ago but I'm about to start again. So I'm looking around on what to buy. I was even looking at nitro, must've been in a coma for while I guess .

Anyway I decided to stay with Tamiya. So now I need to decide which model.

1. What should I buy? TRF414M? TRF414M2? TRF414M-WRC?

2. What needs to be changed to the trf414m2? Or does it have all the goodies out of the box? Are the pulleys ok? Dampers? Suspension arms?

3. How about fitting more alu or titanium parts? Which manufactures should I look at?

4. Is it true that the WRC has all titanium screws?

5. What is the actual difference between all the three models? M and MII just color?

Thanks for the feedback,
Stekke.
Hi Stekke,

I will try to answer your queries as concise as possible , but if there are some missing information, forgive me LOL:

1. Among the three TRF 414M, TRF414M2 and the TRF414M WRC, I personally would go for the WRC version. It has all the extra goodies, such as titanium screw, new extra smooth coating for the aluminium threaded shocks, aluminium center pulley, new front stabilizer position, the World Champ setup and most of all, the WRC is a limited edition with serial number on it which is only 1700 kits produced worldwide.

However, getting a WRC version now would be very difficult and above the suggested retail price, as it is considered as collectible item.

If getting the WRC is not possible anymore from your area, then I suggest you get the TRF414M (silver colored bulkhead) instead of the M2 (blue color bulkhead), with reasons that the 414M has better bearings (ie. blue rubber coated bearings) while the M2 has the usual metal shield bearing. It is true, one might argue that the M2 already has the delrin differential outdrive and all the lightweight ball studs, but to my personal opinion, only the the delrin outdrives that make a lot of difference in terms of performance and you can purchase it separately. And it is cheaper to replace the delrin outdrive than the bearings.

Secondly, the 414M, in my opinion, has a better shock / damper set as compare to M2 (note: of course the WRC has the best ones).

2. In principle, the 414M and the M2 already has all the necessary goodies for you to perform well at the track. These are the goodies and the difference between the three:

- Front one way: all 3 models have it

- Center pulley: -414M and M2 : plastic
- WRC : aluminium

- Screw set : - 414M and M2: steel
- WRC: Titanium

- Rear diff: 414M: steel
M2 and WRC: delrin

- Bulkhead: 414M - silver color
M2 and WRC - blue color

- Bearings: 414M - blue rubber sealed
M2 and WRC - metal sealed

- Shocks : 414M - silver colored (Better)
M2 - blue colored (good)
WRC - gun metal color (BEST)

3. You can get either from Yokomo or Tamiya itself.

4. Yes.

5. See my reply above, no. 1 and 3.

Hope the above helps you to decide.

Regards,

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Old 10-22-2002, 08:08 PM   #1283
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In my opinion, the normal 414M2 would be the best selection. Most of the modifications on the WCR make a very minimal difference to the performance. Anyway, most of the mods are just dremel work. The 414M might be harder to find and more expensive.
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i beleive the m2 does have the aluminum pulleys through out the car and the shocks are anodized blue instead of silver same material used and i do not beleive the color has a performance advantage or disadvantage (just a preference or eye candy) and as far as the bearings go i beleive metal sheilded bearings have a little less drag than rubber sealed bearings. that is probably why tamiya packaged them in the 414m2 and wrc. usually a manufacturer puts out updated cars because they have a slight advantage or change to the previous model. i by no means am an expert on the subject just my 2 cents correct me if im wrong.
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:39 PM   #1285
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Actually the bearings on just the regular 414m are better than the 414m2s. The metal shielded over time will start to wear were as the rubber shielded bearings will not because they have better protection. Also the front one way seems to be a little smoother on the regular 414m.
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:44 PM   #1286
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as far as the bearings go i did not say which bearings were better just that metal sheilded bearings have a little less drag. with bearings as well as other parts or subjects you have different opinions and preferences which i think is a good thing as it lets people who are looking at purchasing a new kit or what have you many ideas on which to choose from.
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i beleive the m2 does have the aluminum pulleys through out the car
No it doesn't, the WCR has alloy centre pulley and centre one-way though....
Also in my opinion the 414M is smoother than the 414M2 and 414M WCR...
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than the kit i just purchased and am assembling must have mistakenly been packaged with aluminum pulleys because they came with my kit.
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Is it a 414M2?
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:55 PM   #1290
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than the kit i just purchased and am assembling must have mistakenly been packaged with aluminum pulleys because they came with my kit.
Thats not like Tamiya, but all I can say is lucky you.. I had to buy them separately!
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