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Old 11-01-2003, 01:46 PM   #2626
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oh.... lol!!!!!

ok i'll probably mount it on the other side then
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Old 11-01-2003, 01:54 PM   #2627
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Haha, you guys are funny with who knows the TRF cars better then whoever. I like my 414M and I do hope that TAMIYA comes out with newer version of the 414.
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Old 11-01-2003, 01:55 PM   #2628
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Calvin, if you mean putting it upside down, it won't work
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Old 11-01-2003, 01:56 PM   #2629
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your joking right

if you put the personal transponder upside down it doesnt work
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Old 11-01-2003, 02:18 PM   #2630
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well in my opinion we could say both the drive trains , in performance perspective , are equal lets say ( please no1 start of a big squable , no names ) . Ive only owned an 04 and Evo3s as good competiton car that im useing at the moment. one advantage i see shaft haveing is that it is alot easier to work with and work round the shaft and so on, this can VERY easily be thrown in my face if someone says look at the pro4 maintenance design though?
with the 04 u had to be careful of wires and things touching the belt but with the evo i find its very easy.

anyones thoughts?
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Old 11-01-2003, 02:22 PM   #2631
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yeah I do agree to a certain extent Tarn, but i think once the wiring etc is sorted and neat then you never really need to worry about it.
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Old 11-01-2003, 02:24 PM   #2632
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Yeah, I've been saying this for years. Difference is not really noticeable when comparing well designed drive trains.

What is more important is the balance of the car, because to go fast, you need cornering speed, and it is provided by the tires. It depends on a lot of parameters though.
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Old 11-01-2003, 03:33 PM   #2633
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i used to respect rick but hhhmmm i think no more.

the tao4 is just a ta04.
ta04trf has is just more hopped up car.
yes they may have been influeced by the 404 414 range but at the end of the day its another car.
Thanks for verifying the point i made in the first place that only timeeey acnowledged was correct.

Now on with the proper subject. Murai formally of TRF who has now departed to HPI was a stern believer in the racing side of Tamiya (TRF), notice how the top of the range cars developed a few years ago first with the 404x and onwards to his final car the Evo3, This was when Murai was handed the design area or TRF. The previous designer was a stern believer in the TA03 and from what information we found out last year in Japan he was still there and still a believer in alternative drive trains.........I dont believe till there are pics of the car that one can say it will be either a SD or a belt drive, or even a mixture of both again. Rick
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Old 11-01-2003, 03:35 PM   #2634
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I prefer belt drive over shaft drive,my lap times are about the same with either one,I have had problems with spur gears on shaft cars,never with belt driven cars,I just like to race,If I drive as well as I can and finish last I'm cool with that,I just like the 414,looks cool,handles great,really nice fit and finish,makes me happy every time I drive it.And that my friends is what it's all about..
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I recon that the next TRF41.... might well be a shaft drive car, if it was to be a belt drive then Tamiya would have continued with the development and continued running of the 414 at big events and not jumped on the Evo3 and that cars development. After all they have had 2 previous evolutions of the evo and decided neither was good enough to replace the 414. Rick
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Old 11-01-2003, 05:13 PM   #2636
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OK Here is my opinion and remember it is just that,... MY OPINION

I think that IF there is In Fact a 415, (or whatever they want to call it), In production then my money is on it definately being a Belt Drive Car. I also believe that it will be the car that takes them to the next World Championships.

I don't believe that the Evo series has lived up to the Expectations of Tamiya and its Sponsored Drivers and I'm pretty sure that they will not take a Shaft Drive into the next Worlds.

I think that the 41? will be Quite similar to the 414M series in many ways and Tamiya will stick with the winning formula that gave them the current World Champ Chassis.

Having a World Champion Car means a lot of Money to a Manufacturer and I believe that Tamiya will Play it safe and go with the winning formula and keep with a very similar design to the current World champ car.

I also believe that in the Near Future Tamiya WILL Design the Ultimate Worlds Winning Shaft Drive Chassis but for now I think IF there is in fact something in the making it will most likely be another belt drive 414 Mutation.
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Old 11-01-2003, 06:36 PM   #2637
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Have you guys tried to put a really low profile servo so you can put the receiver behind the servo?
If so, which servos did oyu guys use? (Digitla prefered because i have HRS / Can use FM if i have to though )
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No I've never tried mounting the Rx behind the servo, assuming it would lower CG some more?!?

Whatever Tamiya comes up with, I just hope we've seen the last of the multigear drivetrains ala the TA03. I like the belt because it's different from the TC3s, but what I really like is that many of the EVO3 parts fit the 414 and vice versa. As long as Tamiya remembers that there are a lot of us who are very loyal to the current TRF machines, I'll be thrilled.

When's the next Worlds?
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Old 11-01-2003, 09:38 PM   #2639
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The tool that we were talking about have the TRF-414M logo on it and they only come with the memorial kit. It's gunmetal colored and only three small tools (double ended hex drive, one nut driver, and one turnbuckle wrench).

I do think that the new TRF tool set are better in quality though.

But for a TRF nut.... I need to have everything with TRF 414M logo on it...

don't you agree FUX_WRX?
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it's this picture that got me interested
http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...&postid=566750
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