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Old 10-31-2003, 02:56 PM   #2581
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The Evo have not been called TRF because the 414 was on sale and they don't want to have two TRF cars at the same time.
Don't they have the TA04 TRF version and you can still get the TRF414MII Kit.....I am sure that they have had more than one TRF Model available at the same before......
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Old 10-31-2003, 03:46 PM   #2582
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Don't they have the TA04 TRF version and you can still get the TRF414MII Kit.....I am sure that they have had more than one TRF Model available at the same before......

Ahhhh, they do have a TRF TA04.

Looky here:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rc/...a04/49278.html
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Yeah, but TA04 TRF is a "plastic" version of the 414... So they have two TRF cars, but they're mainly the same.

As for Rick : indeed the low ratio comes with smaller diff pulleys, but think about that : it's only to keep the same belts (as the difference between both the pulleys and diff pulleys is 2 teeth, the belt lenght do not varies). And my mistake was to think that the pulley was 17T yet it is indeed 18T

you can check here , there is no belt in the kit, so it means the belts are the same. It is not such a big difference in the bending of the belt between 34T and 32T than between 16T and 18T, and there is where the gain in efficiency is.

Sorry mate, I still am right when I say that a bigger diff pulley is more efficient than a smaller, do you want me to explain again ?

Anyway it would have been stupid to increase one pulley's diameter while decreasing the other, even if the efficiency was better with a smaller pulley, as the effects would have been reversed. And if you check, the best belt drive train over there is the XXX-S's, and it has very big pulleys (20T smaller pulley, and 42 T diffs).

I've been looking for a lot of drive trains for my own prototype, so I'm mainly unbeatable on any belt drive system on the market

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Old 10-31-2003, 04:21 PM   #2584
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all this talk makes me wanna get one

but if they just change the pulleys and stuff on the 414 to 415 why dont i just so buy those pulley's and shove em on my 414

i dunno i bet there gonna make the car a new colour just so you buy it!
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:21 PM   #2585
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IMHO the best belt drive train there is is on the Xray T1 with the new pullys and belts. The Losi aint anywhere near as good due to the small ish center pully and the massive amounts of belt wrap on the center pully. Rick
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Yeah, but TA04 TRF is a "plastic" version of the 414... So they have two TRF cars, but they're mainly the same
Sorry but the 414m and a TA04TRF are far from the same, they share only a few bits in common and are totally different in things like track width, adjustability, wheel base etc. Rick
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:28 PM   #2587
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are there any pictures or press release of the 415?

Thanks
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:36 PM   #2588
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Sorry but the 414m and a TA04TRF are far from the same, they share only a few bits in common and are totally different in things like track width, adjustability, wheel base etc. Rick
100% correct Rick. Tamiya definately has had more than one TRF chassis available at the one time.
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TA04 is 414's son . They share LOADS of parts and TA04 TRF comes even closer than ever to the 414M. I know every difference between those two, and there ain't any different cars closer thant those two (T1 Evo 2 and T1R does not count as they're the SAME car). You can say the same from TB Evo 3 and TB-02. They're just mass productions versions of the high quality racing cars.

And what do you call the "smaller" pulley ? The 20T one or the one for the S ? Both are bigger than the 18T X-Ray one, and there are loads of XXX-S where I am, don't see any having troubles with their belt. I agree the new X-Ray drive train is one of the best, never said anything like it's crap or what...
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TA04 is 414's son . They share LOADS of parts and TA04 TRF comes even closer than ever to the 414M. I know every difference between those two, and there ain't any different cars closer thant those two (T1 Evo 2 and T1R does not count as they're the SAME car). You can say the same from TB Evo 3 and TB-02. They're just mass productions versions of the high quality racing cars.

And what do you call the "smaller" pulley ? The 20T one or the one for the S ? Both are bigger than the 18T X-Ray one, and there are loads of XXX-S where I am, don't see any having troubles with their belt. I agree the new X-Ray drive train is one of the best, never said anything like it's crap or what...
I'm not going to debate the point any further cause quite frankly I have more Important things to worry about, but the TA04 series and the 414 series have similarities but are not Marketed by Tamiya as being the same series of chassis. They are without doubt different series of cars despite their similarities.

Also why do you say the Xray Evo2 and the T1R do not count as they are the same car. They are marketed as two different chassis types. This is where you lose your credability as far as I'm concerned
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Nope, this is exactly what I say : TA 04 and 414 are different cars, whereas T1 Evo 2 and T1R are the same cars, just a cheap version and a HQ version, like the TC3 racer is for the TC3 FT.

But there is not any DIFFERENT cars that are such similar, is this so hard to understand what I say ? Sorry for english not being my mother's tongue langage.
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So what your saying is:

even thought the 04 and 414 are different cars, they are very similar and it will be hard to find to other cars that share that connection.
the xrays are actually the same cars just just different spec so of coarse they will be similar but the 04 and 414 are different cars, different chassis.

i hope thats right
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At least one person understand me...

Also, I maintain : there is only one TRF car actually. Indeed, in the case of the TA04, the TRF is used to say that it's the ultimate TA04 chassis, the best they will produce, it is NOT a TRF CAR.

Any TRF car's name is the following : TRF XXX, XXX being the number of the car (2XX for 2WD cars and 4XX for 4WD).

Now, usually the TRF cars evolve into a mass production car (like the TRF 211 became the Dyna Storm for example).

As for the 415, my source is 99.99 % reliable (see I'm keeping a security factor, hahaha), but there is no other information about it, especiallly nothing about the drive train so I suggest we wait and see until the official anouncement.
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I might have to sell my 414M2 SSG

anyone interested??
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At least one person understand me...

Also, I maintain : there is only one TRF car actually. Indeed, in the case of the TA04, the TRF is used to say that it's the ultimate TA04 chassis, the best they will produce, it is NOT a TRF CAR.

IT IS CALLED A TA04 TRF so therefore it is a TRF car. I am sorry but I just don't subscribe to your logic. Why label a car something if it isn't.....
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