Tekin RS ESC sensored
08-12-2009, 02:50 PM
#5986
I am in contact with Pete. He sent the update to me and am sure he can answer my questions also. Was thinking that there might be others on here that could use the info also. A lot of the data that I have read is leaned torwards using a 13.5 and not 17.5 motors. Also thanks to everybody that has contributed to this great thread.
Rob,
Rob,
08-12-2009, 02:51 PM
#5987
Hello all,
I am ordering the Hotwire now and want to buy a range of gearing options for the car as gearing for V200 may take some trial and error. Also at the track that I race at in Camarillo, Ca. we change the track layout every race weekend and gearing may be an issue. What range of FDR do you think I should be looking at with a 17.5 motor. Track is medium size I guess with a pretty good straight. Thanks for any info.
Rob,
I am ordering the Hotwire now and want to buy a range of gearing options for the car as gearing for V200 may take some trial and error. Also at the track that I race at in Camarillo, Ca. we change the track layout every race weekend and gearing may be an issue. What range of FDR do you think I should be looking at with a 17.5 motor. Track is medium size I guess with a pretty good straight. Thanks for any info.
Rob,
+1 also if anyone is running a TA05 for the RCGT class that would be double helpful.
08-12-2009, 03:03 PM
#5988
Tech Master
I went and practiced with 200 last night in my 17.5 car and had some questions.
My home tack is rather small 40x60 and there's just not enough time for Turbo to really kick in.
I race at a second track that is 60x70 and will have a chance the see the response from turbo tomorrow.
1. I noticed that when turbo is applied it ramps rather slowly, how much testing was done to determine how fast this ramp should be? Where different ramp times tested for optimal performance?
2. When I set the delay to .5, which I'm assuming is half a second, it sure seems like it takes longer than .5 sec to start applying turbo. Is this because of my first question? The ramp is starting slowly so it appears to take longer than expected.
3. Was there much testing done on small carpet tracks? It seems like the delay feature should be allowed to start at zero being the turbo function is being ramped up so slowly. Or the turbo on ramp should also have a time setting.
I realize this feature was mainly added for large to very large tracks to compete against other ESC's but I think turbo could be applied effectively for short tracks also which would give the RS an advantage over the non-programmable ESC’s.
I by no means am complaining about this release I just had a few questions and maybe these questions can be applied in a future release.
My home tack is rather small 40x60 and there's just not enough time for Turbo to really kick in.
I race at a second track that is 60x70 and will have a chance the see the response from turbo tomorrow.
1. I noticed that when turbo is applied it ramps rather slowly, how much testing was done to determine how fast this ramp should be? Where different ramp times tested for optimal performance?
2. When I set the delay to .5, which I'm assuming is half a second, it sure seems like it takes longer than .5 sec to start applying turbo. Is this because of my first question? The ramp is starting slowly so it appears to take longer than expected.
3. Was there much testing done on small carpet tracks? It seems like the delay feature should be allowed to start at zero being the turbo function is being ramped up so slowly. Or the turbo on ramp should also have a time setting.
I realize this feature was mainly added for large to very large tracks to compete against other ESC's but I think turbo could be applied effectively for short tracks also which would give the RS an advantage over the non-programmable ESC’s.
I by no means am complaining about this release I just had a few questions and maybe these questions can be applied in a future release.
You can let the Turbo come earlier by lowering your Boost and motor timing.
And gear a bit lighter.
Make your car as fast as possible in the infield.
After that set on the Turbo.
You can gear very light with the Turbo.
So your acceleration will be better and when you put on your Turbo and you find that it comes to late or to much, and that you will probably have on smaller tracks. Lower than the Turbo to 10 or even lower. Just what you like the most.
On my home track I have next week a National championship race.
We must use Speedpassion 10,5 motors on 5 cell.
Because I geared the motor quit heavy, I have lowered the Turbo to 8 and I will maybe go lower.
I use 5.044FDR with 18 Boost.
A club member uses 23 Boost and max Turbo but he is geared 5,5FDR.
I don;t like the Turbo to high as it comes quit late so I lowered it to get a nice acceleration over the total length of the straight.
My club member likes the feeling that the Turbo kicks in so he set it to the max.
This Saturday we drive together.
It will be his first real test with the Turbo. He is than going to drive against me with it to see if he has the faster setup as he thinks he has.
As I'm still faster, he will use my setup and I now that I'm.
I have seen his lap times with the V200
Last race in the 10,5 Lipo class.
On place 2 Tekin RS with Tekin Redlinel 10,5
On place 3 Tekin RS Pro With Speedpassion 10,5T
Place 5 SPX with Tekin Redline 10,5
Nr 1 was a LRP TC. Not that the Tekin was not fast but only because that guy drives just very good. He won the ETS on the same track.
But the Tekin's were to fast for the SPX
And more and more drivers get a Tekin RS and a Tekin Redline motor out here.
08-12-2009, 03:21 PM
#5989
I am in contact with Pete. He sent the update to me and am sure he can answer my questions also. Was thinking that there might be others on here that could use the info also. A lot of the data that I have read is leaned torwards using a 13.5 and not 17.5 motors. Also thanks to everybody that has contributed to this great thread.
Rob,
Rob,
I was around 4.2FDR with V198 depending on the layout, where "others" were running 3.5-3.6. I bet I'll end up somewhere around 4.3-4.4 with V200.
I'm running a TA05IFS-R, which has a different internal ratio than a regular TA05, but I can help you out with that as well. FDR will be the same, just different spur/pinion.
Last edited by reenmachine; 08-12-2009 at 03:33 PM.
08-12-2009, 04:05 PM
#5990
With each motor being different in endbell construction your best bet is to look in the end like the picture posted by Skiddins. When we are referring to zero timing (at least I do...lol) we mean when the Hall Sensors are right in the middle of each lamination holding the windings. I would agree that the picture shows about 30 degrees of timing. When you are trying to set the timing from scratch here's your best bet :
Center the Hall sensors on the laminations.
Paint/Grind marks on the endbell and can that line up so you always know where zero is.
If you want more timing than zero, every millimeter around the outside of the can is pretty close to 3 degrees (36mm diameter X 3.14159 = 113mm circumference. 360 degrees divided by 113mm = 3.18 degrees per mm)
Rotating the endbell counter clockwise will advance the timing.
Center the Hall sensors on the laminations.
Paint/Grind marks on the endbell and can that line up so you always know where zero is.
If you want more timing than zero, every millimeter around the outside of the can is pretty close to 3 degrees (36mm diameter X 3.14159 = 113mm circumference. 360 degrees divided by 113mm = 3.18 degrees per mm)
Rotating the endbell counter clockwise will advance the timing.
Btw, thanks Skiddins & Krio for helping a desperately slow dude...
08-12-2009, 04:57 PM
#5991
I haven't run V200 in my 17.5 RCGT car yet but I will be very soon, and a lot. I'm thinking perhaps this Saturday -- I'll let you know.
I was around 4.2FDR with V198 depending on the layout, where "others" were running 3.5-3.6. I bet I'll end up somewhere around 4.3-4.4 with V200.
I'm running a TA05IFS-R, which has a different internal ratio than a regular TA05, but I can help you out with that as well. FDR will be the same, just different spur/pinion.
I was around 4.2FDR with V198 depending on the layout, where "others" were running 3.5-3.6. I bet I'll end up somewhere around 4.3-4.4 with V200.
I'm running a TA05IFS-R, which has a different internal ratio than a regular TA05, but I can help you out with that as well. FDR will be the same, just different spur/pinion.
. With 200, I would guess to start out at around 4.2 to start and go up or down depending on temps. If you wanna be even more conservative, try 4.3-4.5... hth
08-12-2009, 05:16 PM
#5992
I went and practiced with 200 last night in my 17.5 car and had some questions.
My home tack is rather small 40x60 and there's just not enough time for Turbo to really kick in.This is correct, you should not need turbo for this size of a track.
I race at a second track that is 60x70 and will have a chance the see the response from turbo tomorrow.
1. I noticed that when turbo is applied it ramps rather slowly, how much testing was done to determine how fast this ramp should be? Qutie a bit. If it's too fast it will upste the chassis. Where different ramp times tested for optimal performance?
2. When I set the delay to .5, which I'm assuming is half a second, it sure seems like it takes longer than .5 sec to start applying turbo. Is this because of my first question?Yes The ramp is starting slowly so it appears to take longer than expected.
3. Was there much testing done on small carpet tracks? It seems like the delay feature should be allowed to start at zero being the turbo function is being ramped up so slowly. Or the turbo on ramp should also have a time setting.If you need more timing on a track this small you should be able to accomplish it with motor timing and timing boost.
I realize this feature was mainly added for large to very large tracks to compete against other ESC's but I think turbo could be applied effectively for short tracks also which would give the RS an advantage over the non-programmable ESC’s.See previous paragraph.
I by no means am complaining about this release I just had a few questions and maybe these questions can be applied in a future release.
My home tack is rather small 40x60 and there's just not enough time for Turbo to really kick in.This is correct, you should not need turbo for this size of a track.
I race at a second track that is 60x70 and will have a chance the see the response from turbo tomorrow.
1. I noticed that when turbo is applied it ramps rather slowly, how much testing was done to determine how fast this ramp should be? Qutie a bit. If it's too fast it will upste the chassis. Where different ramp times tested for optimal performance?
2. When I set the delay to .5, which I'm assuming is half a second, it sure seems like it takes longer than .5 sec to start applying turbo. Is this because of my first question?Yes The ramp is starting slowly so it appears to take longer than expected.
3. Was there much testing done on small carpet tracks? It seems like the delay feature should be allowed to start at zero being the turbo function is being ramped up so slowly. Or the turbo on ramp should also have a time setting.If you need more timing on a track this small you should be able to accomplish it with motor timing and timing boost.
I realize this feature was mainly added for large to very large tracks to compete against other ESC's but I think turbo could be applied effectively for short tracks also which would give the RS an advantage over the non-programmable ESC’s.See previous paragraph.
I by no means am complaining about this release I just had a few questions and maybe these questions can be applied in a future release.
Answers above.
08-12-2009, 05:50 PM
#5993
hey, can you guys help me w/ getting the firmware for v200 my email address is [email protected], thanks alot
08-12-2009, 05:55 PM
#5994
Cheers
PS Thanks for sending the V200 software.
Last edited by bee200sx; 08-12-2009 at 06:10 PM.
08-12-2009, 07:02 PM
#5995
My RCGT setup:
Last edited by Randy_Pike; 08-12-2009 at 08:17 PM.
08-12-2009, 07:16 PM
#5996
08-12-2009, 07:31 PM
#5998
If between laminations is zero degrees and counter clockwise rotation (endbell facing you) advances timing, the picture shows a lot more than 30 deg advanced i think. More like 90!? LOL... or is it 30 deg negative?
Btw, thanks Skiddins & Krio for helping a desperately slow dude...
Btw, thanks Skiddins & Krio for helping a desperately slow dude...
08-12-2009, 08:18 PM
#5999
08-12-2009, 08:22 PM
#6000
Still awake Randy?!...
Btw, checked my SP 11.5T motor. There are 3 timing presets. A,B(default) and C. At B, it has about 28 degrees or so of motor timing!!... No wonder I've been struggling for more punch. A seems to be about 4 degrees of motor timing. Should I set it to A instead and tweak the ESC for more speed?
Btw, checked my SP 11.5T motor. There are 3 timing presets. A,B(default) and C. At B, it has about 28 degrees or so of motor timing!!... No wonder I've been struggling for more punch. A seems to be about 4 degrees of motor timing. Should I set it to A instead and tweak the ESC for more speed?