Tekin RS ESC sensored
04-17-2009, 03:54 PM
#3346
You need new software so you have the timing boost feature. Randy can send you the newest version which installs easy and quick.
Most are running the 17.5 with the motor timing and 0deg to 10 deg in sensored only mode with enough boost timing to equal 30 total for the motor setting and boost added together. Gearing depends on car and track. Always start low and work up watching motor temps.
Tekin Prez
Most are running the 17.5 with the motor timing and 0deg to 10 deg in sensored only mode with enough boost timing to equal 30 total for the motor setting and boost added together. Gearing depends on car and track. Always start low and work up watching motor temps.
Tekin Prez
0 motor timing & max boost
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max motor timing & 0 boost?
04-17-2009, 05:13 PM
#3347
can someone email me the lastest and greatest software, thanks in advance
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04-17-2009, 05:29 PM
#3348
I'm bumping up and giving 10.5 TC a try and need some guidance for a starting point.
Medium-sized outdoor asphalt, roughly 105' x 75'.
With RS 194/Redline 17.5/0 motor/max boost I run an FDR of about 4.2 on this track for reference.
I'll be running RS 194/Redline 10.5/7.4V lipo.
Should I still run 0 motor/max boost with a 10.5?
What's a good starting FDR?
Medium-sized outdoor asphalt, roughly 105' x 75'.
With RS 194/Redline 17.5/0 motor/max boost I run an FDR of about 4.2 on this track for reference.
I'll be running RS 194/Redline 10.5/7.4V lipo.
Should I still run 0 motor/max boost with a 10.5?
What's a good starting FDR?
04-17-2009, 05:42 PM
#3349
Ok I haven't been following the thread as much as I used to so I'm a tad behind here. With 189 the hot setup seemed to be 0 timing on the motor and max on the boost. With 194 is that still the best setup? I've seen both that setup mentioned and one running 10 boost and 20 on the motor to total 30 so I just need some clarity. I'm running a LRP 13.5 motor.
Thanks
Thanks
04-17-2009, 06:41 PM
#3350
Is everyone's Redline motors loud? I thought it was just my car (running a shaft drive car now) but turns out it was actually the motor(s) that are loud. I put my Trinity in and it was at least 4X's quieter. Both my Redlines are loud 21.5 and 17.5. The 21.5 a little louder.
Im OK with them being loud if that is how its supposed to be. I was just surprised by the difference.
Im OK with them being loud if that is how its supposed to be. I was just surprised by the difference.
04-17-2009, 08:47 PM
#3351
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
04-17-2009, 09:26 PM
#3352
Pete, we were running at Speedworld today running 13.5's and we were FDR'd at 5.0 to 5.8 depending on setup.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
04-17-2009, 09:31 PM
#3353
The cool thing Tekin has done is to provide this timing when it's needed, near the full throttle point, not over the entire range which would be a waste.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
Has tekin ever said anything official on how and when boost kicks in? If not, feel free to tell us now :-)
If it is a secret, fine. I don't see it being a secret for long. I am sure all other companys will soon have this feature.
I too would like to be able to control how and when boost kicks in. Stages would be good too. a 3d map would even be better, I just don't think it would be necessary, but it would be cool.
--pakk
04-18-2009, 02:35 AM
#3354
First you need to understand what timing does to the motor. More timing gives the motor more RPM but reduces the amount of torque it can produce. So more motor timing is great for large open tracks where your full throttle the majority of the time. The cool thing Tekin has done is to provide this timing when it's needed, near the full throttle point, not over the entire range which would be a waste.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
So If I have 0 boost and then 30 boost, would the 30 boost sacrifice bottom end, or I gather the boost only gives more top end.
Is that correct?
If so, I guess its always better to leave the boost at 30 if it doesnt affect torque, given the motor temps are within operational temps.
04-18-2009, 06:59 AM
#3355
Pete, we were running at Speedworld today running 13.5's and we were FDR'd at 5.0 to 5.8 depending on setup.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
Thanks for letting me take a spin with your car. Wolf needs to send you a spool for that thing though. Also thanks for the drop cloth. Man the ground was hot. We almost had some black on black crimes with the black top and myself
Great testing today.
04-18-2009, 07:38 AM
#3356
Pete, we were running at Speedworld today running 13.5's and we were FDR'd at 5.0 to 5.8 depending on setup.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
I'd say your FDR is a bit off as the 10.5 is going to have more rpm. Speedworld is touting a 160ft straight for comparison.
We tested with a bunch of setups today and the fastest trap speed(radar gun) was 39 with a Tekin RS Pro and Tekin Redline. However it was cleary timed too high. We did pull it back in and make some adjustmens and Tekin Driver Jason Moberly was pulling off consistent laptimes and trap speed starting at 37mph and finished with 35mph for a 5 minute run.
He was FDR'd around 5.8 if memory serves me correctly on his FT TC5r.
I'm going to gear this 10.5 up in the 6-something range and see what happens.
04-18-2009, 08:22 AM
#3357
First you need to understand what timing does to the motor. More timing gives the motor more RPM but reduces the amount of torque it can produce. So more motor timing is great for large open tracks where your full throttle the majority of the time. The cool thing Tekin has done is to provide this timing when it's needed, near the full throttle point, not over the entire range which would be a waste.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
When you adjust the motor timing it obviously effects the entire RPM range. When you use Boost in the ESC it only applies when your throttle reaches about 90%.
So with 0 motor timing and 30 from the ESC it provides great low speed torque to exit corners quickly and less torque higher rpm for the straight sections. You could think of it like having a 2 speed transmission.
bk,
Your statement about boost only coming in near full throttle is counter to what Ty@TeamTekin said about boost back in December... check THIS POST
He pretty much flatly states that the boost is there across the board, not just near full throttle.
04-18-2009, 08:27 AM
#3358
0 to full throttle you've got boost when it's active in the ESC.
--pakk
04-18-2009, 08:32 AM
#3359
I was looking on the Teamtekin.com forum and Randy had posted the following
Post subject: Re: Boost timing Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 am
Boost timing is additional timing that is applied to the motor after a certain amount of rpms.
So if you're motor is at 20 degrees and you had 10 boost you'd have 30 total.
So going on that it is RPM dependant not throttle position
Post subject: Re: Boost timing Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 am
Boost timing is additional timing that is applied to the motor after a certain amount of rpms.
So if you're motor is at 20 degrees and you had 10 boost you'd have 30 total.
So going on that it is RPM dependant not throttle position
04-18-2009, 08:50 AM
#3360
I was looking on the Teamtekin.com forum and Randy had posted the following
Post subject: Re: Boost timing Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 am
Boost timing is additional timing that is applied to the motor after a certain amount of rpms.
So if you're motor is at 20 degrees and you had 10 boost you'd have 30 total.
So going on that it is RPM dependant not throttle position
Post subject: Re: Boost timing Post Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 am
Boost timing is additional timing that is applied to the motor after a certain amount of rpms.
So if you're motor is at 20 degrees and you had 10 boost you'd have 30 total.
So going on that it is RPM dependant not throttle position