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Old 08-11-2009, 02:29 PM   #1411
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This is the response that I just received from Associated concerning the new 12R5.1:

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Ok the only difference is that the rear pod is optimized for brushless motors. Just like you have already done.



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Hello,



I just purchased a 12R5 kit last week from Amain Hobbies and just got in the mail. I also ordered all the parts from the 10R5 to make it a centered rear pod chassis. Now I just read on your home page that Associated is releasing the 12R5.1 kit... what is the main difference in the 2 kits. Will there be an upgrade conversion kit available or will I need to buy a whole new kit?



Please let me know what the part numbers are so I can put them on order at my local hobby shop if my 12r5 can be converted to the new 12R5.1 version.



Thank you!!



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I don't have the part numbers yet but will let you know when I do.

The new car still uses the 10R5 bottom plate. The new pieces you will need are the 2 aluminum bulkheads, the cross tube and the graphite upper plate. The only advantage to this pod versuses the 10R5 pod is it is easier to get the motor in and out and solder the wires to the motor. Motor position stays the same as 10R5 pod plates.

You will not see any performance difference in these parts, just easier access to the motor.
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I have given an updated set up sheet to the webmaster at AE.
Not a lot of changes but some little things I found to be better than the first set up I posted.
It will be interesting to see your changes. I tried your setup and immediately lost about a tenth per lap on both tracks I was running the car at. We all drive differently so I don't find that surprising, plus I don't think our track is as bumpy as you was describing and was developing your original setup for.

I thought the wider front end was weird feeling at first but I stayed with it and adjusted other areas that I felt needed a change. After a good tunning session on the setup I've got a car that's faster than what I was running and easier to drive. Can't go wrong with faster and easier to drive.
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I have given an updated set up sheet to the webmaster at AE.
Not a lot of changes but some little things I found to be better than the first set up I posted.
I hear ya, Im always tweaking the setup. Your setup list a blue shock and gold side springs. I came up with red shock and silver side springs. Im gona start heading the springs in your direction to see how it feels but got any comments on how it handles?

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Old 08-11-2009, 03:25 PM   #1415
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I hear ya, Im always tweaking the setup. Your setup list a blue shock and gold side springs. I came up with red shock and silver side springs. Im gona start heading the springs in your direction to see how it feels but got any comments on how it handles?

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Once I finally got the right tires, now black and yellow, I found that I needed to adjust the set up some to make it more consistant through the run.

I adjusted the droop spacer and went back up to a gold spring. Then I went back to 20s in the front and blue side springs in the rear. Both of those changes seemed to make the car easier to drive through the whole run. With the bumps and inconsistant traction I would get caught out by the soft front spring and stiffer rear. Last week was the best the car has felt and the laps only dropped off .4 from beginning to end. My previous best was more like .6-.7 from begining to end.
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Once I finally got the right tires, now black and yellow, I found that I needed to adjust the set up some to make it more consistant through the run.

I adjusted the droop spacer and went back up to a gold spring. Then I went back to 20s in the front and blue side springs in the rear. Both of those changes seemed to make the car easier to drive through the whole run. With the bumps and inconsistant traction I would get caught out by the soft front spring and stiffer rear. Last week was the best the car has felt and the laps only dropped off .4 from beginning to end. My previous best was more like .6-.7 from begining to end.
That's good to hear!! I used your previous setup with these exact changes minus the gold shock spring. I've got the blue spring on still. I plan to run the car this Thursday for the first time, so I'll post some feedback afterwards.
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Did you end up working anything out with your car alex?
Im new to 12th scale and only ran my 12r5 for the first time last weekend. From what i can tell tyres are most important thing to start with and your best bet is pink rears purple fronts. Double pink fronts will give you more steering but will wear faster.

I think standard kit setup might be ok, but a few people seem to be using a stiffer blue spring on the center shock. As for rollout i think you need something big like around 58mm but dont quote me on that. Its also going to be dependent on how you setup your speedie and timing on the motor although i think the prince has fixed timing
Yeah the prince has fixed timing. i only bought it cheap off rctech cause we dont know what classes we are running till we build the track. I am still waiting on my batteries to arrive so i havent run the car yet. Not sure what i should set the GTB 4cell to as far a timing and stuff goes.... havent had any experience with these. I'll order a whole bunch of tires and play around with the ones you said to see how they go. i was going to head towards a softer spring for the asphalt track we have here, but i'll try going both ways and see i guess.

If someone could let me know what i settings i use on the 4 cell GTB that would be great. i'll try 58mm rollout and go up or down from there.

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I adjusted the droop spacer and went back up to a gold spring. Then I went back to 20s in the front and blue side springs in the rear. Both of those changes seemed to make the car easier to drive through the whole run. With the bumps and inconsistant traction I would get caught out by the soft front spring and stiffer rear. Last week was the best the car has felt and the laps only dropped off .4 from beginning to end. My previous best was more like .6-.7 from begining to end.
That's the changes I made. Gold center spring, .20 front, blue side springs. 25wt center, 35wt on the side dampening (i really liked that change). Lilacs up front with Yellows on the rear and then tweaked the pod droop a bit. Running .5mm pod droop now. This is on a medium bite track, some bumps but the 4mm ride height makes those nothing. When traction comes up in the winter I expect to go to a 2xPink a bit more. The harder compound seems to bite a bit better up front when less people are running on the track. I really like how this car handles chicanes.

Car tonight fell off ~.2 sec in 8 min. I think I might be under geared a bit but I was experimenting with the v200 Tekin software update and didn't want to do any damage to the motor. Motor came off at 145 deg racing.
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Hara 40,
Have you run 12th scale before? I started pretty soft when i started running but ended up using pretty aggressive settings like you would on a touring car.
Also if you are using a tekin, i would probably not use boost although if you have the new software you may want to try using the turbo.

With regards to springs, software front springs is meant to give you more steering as are HARDER and stiffer side and center springs. There is a 12th scale bible floating around if you cant find it let me know your email address and i'll email it to you.

PS. I got one of those prince motors. Dont know if its just me but i reckon they are good motors **SHRUG**
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Parts from RC10R5O

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Hara 40,
Have you run 12th scale before? I started pretty soft when i started running but ended up using pretty aggressive settings like you would on a touring car.
Also if you are using a tekin, i would probably not use boost although if you have the new software you may want to try using the turbo.

With regards to springs, software front springs is meant to give you more steering as are HARDER and stiffer side and center springs. There is a 12th scale bible floating around if you cant find it let me know your email address and i'll email it to you.

PS. I got one of those prince motors. Dont know if its just me but i reckon they are good motors **SHRUG**
I got the whole spring set coming, so i can try the harder too and see how it goes. this is my first 12th scale, hence all the questions. No Tekin, just got a Novak GTB 4 cell speed control. intellect 4600mah cells and the prince motor. I'll see how it holds up and buy new when i need to. i have put a 26t pinion with the 72t spur on the car. this gives me a rollout of 53.89 with new jaco's on the rear measuring 47.5mm in diameter. I'll see how this goes as i need some more pinions and a slightly smaller spur.. the 72 wont allow a bigger pinion than 26t so i cant adjust rollout upwards as the tires wear down. i will get a 69t spur and see how that goes....

my email is alex_m_84@hotmail.com if you can send me that 1/12th bible. cant wait to get this thing running. batteries still havent rocked up
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The set up is not on the site yet but will be later today or tommorow.
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Sean C..I just printed both of your setups and gona take them to the track with me tonight. You didnt list what rear rubber on the new sheet. Also can you give me a front width in mm? Last thing, I see your running the rear higher than the front. Are you setting the pod flat or letting it rake with the chassis?

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Sean C..I just printed both of your setups and gona take them to the track with me tonight. You didnt list what rear rubber on the new sheet. Also can you give me a front width in mm? Last thing, I see your running the rear higher than the front. Are you setting the pod flat or letting it rake with the chassis?

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Sorry, Tires are Black front, yellow rear.
Front width 165mm
I check the ride height at the back edge of the chassis, just let the pod droop to achieve the correct ride height.
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