Ban disc wheels in TC racing
#18
Tech Elite
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Banning aesthetics now?
Aren't there more important battles to fight to keep racing alive? How about a push towards more realistic bodies (read: non aero, spectator recognizable race cars) first? How about slowing cars down enough so that more people can drive them without breaking everything with the first thing they hit?
JACO recently announced that they will soon be releasing their new line of Rubberz pre-mounts on the Prism-style wheel. That should calm down the anti dish crowd a bit... or is that not good enough, either?
Aren't there more important battles to fight to keep racing alive? How about a push towards more realistic bodies (read: non aero, spectator recognizable race cars) first? How about slowing cars down enough so that more people can drive them without breaking everything with the first thing they hit?
JACO recently announced that they will soon be releasing their new line of Rubberz pre-mounts on the Prism-style wheel. That should calm down the anti dish crowd a bit... or is that not good enough, either?
#19
Regional Moderator
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Banning aesthetics now?
Aren't there more important battles to fight to keep racing alive? How about a push towards more realistic bodies (read: non aero, spectator recognizable race cars) first? How about slowing cars down enough so that more people can drive them without breaking everything with the first thing they hit?
Aren't there more important battles to fight to keep racing alive? How about a push towards more realistic bodies (read: non aero, spectator recognizable race cars) first? How about slowing cars down enough so that more people can drive them without breaking everything with the first thing they hit?
You say that slowing cars down is more important, I say its pretty low on the 'to do' list. People at least have a CHOICE of how fast they go. I'm not going to feel sorry for some idiot who keeps shreading arms on his $450 car because he wants to run 4300 on a track the size of a hub cap. Thats his fault. His CHOICE.
On the other hand, with the push toward all pre-mounts in rubber class, those of us who don't like dish wheels have NO choice what so ever. Its either run dish wheels or not get to run rubber.
JACO recently announced that they will soon be releasing their new line of Rubberz pre-mounts on the Prism-style wheel. That should calm down the anti dish crowd a bit... or is that not good enough, either?
#20
I agree with that. I race only dish wheels. Why ban them, if you don't like them don't buy! I like them and I continue buying them. I don't like the bling-bling wheels which makes your car look like a toycar
#21
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I do find it kind of amusing that guys will call for more realistic bodies, while defending dish wheels. Sanctioning bodies have rules meant to keep bodies from straying too far from real cars, but don't mind having cars running around with dinner plates for wheels!
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
#22
Tech Elite
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Meh.
When stock motors are faster than most people can drive, there is little choice for speeds.
When few bodies work well enough to give easy handling at the speeds we're going now, there are few choices there, too.
If you want different wheels, use different wheels. You can buy CS27s unmounted, and mount them up yourself. I haven't seen pre-mounts forced at the club level very often, so those choosing them are doing so because they don't want to mount their own tires (me).
There are still a lot more pressing issues facing road racers than the dish of a plastic wheel.
When stock motors are faster than most people can drive, there is little choice for speeds.
When few bodies work well enough to give easy handling at the speeds we're going now, there are few choices there, too.
If you want different wheels, use different wheels. You can buy CS27s unmounted, and mount them up yourself. I haven't seen pre-mounts forced at the club level very often, so those choosing them are doing so because they don't want to mount their own tires (me).
There are still a lot more pressing issues facing road racers than the dish of a plastic wheel.
#23
I do find it kind of amusing that guys will call for more realistic bodies, while defending dish wheels. Sanctioning bodies have rules meant to keep bodies from straying too far from real cars, but don't mind having cars running around with dinner plates for wheels!
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
#24
Tech Elite
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I do find it kind of amusing that guys will call for more realistic bodies, while defending dish wheels. Sanctioning bodies have rules meant to keep bodies from straying too far from real cars, but don't mind having cars running around with dinner plates for wheels!
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
Seems to me that the two go hand and hand. More realistic bodies...more realistic wheels to go along with it.
Again, .
I'm not defending either. I don't mind dish wheels. I'd like to see bodies of cars we actually might see on a real race track. I'd prefer a grey 5 or 6-spoke wheel, but it isn't going to make racing any better or worse for anyone if that is an option.
Banning dish wheels is a stupid thing to champion. It's like asking for a certain color to be banned from racing paint jobs.
I'll take these dish wheels any day...
Last edited by squarehead; 11-29-2010 at 03:02 PM.
#25
Tech Regular
who cares about wheels????
looks should be secondary to performance
if there's not a performance gain to the non dish wheels, then why would anyone want to run them
looks should be secondary to performance
if there's not a performance gain to the non dish wheels, then why would anyone want to run them
#26
Regional Moderator
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If you want different wheels, use different wheels. You can buy CS27s unmounted, and mount them up yourself. I haven't seen pre-mounts forced at the club level very often, so those choosing them are doing so because they don't want to mount their own tires (me).
There are still a lot more pressing issues facing road racers than the dish of a plastic wheel.
#27
Again, .
I'm not defending either. I don't mind dish wheels. I'd like to see bodies of cars we actually might see on a real race track. I'd prefer a grey 5 or 6-spoke wheel, but it isn't going to make racing any better or worse for anyone if that is an option.
Banning dish wheels is a stupid thing to champion. It's like asking for a certain color to be banned from racing paint jobs.
I'll take these dish wheels any day...
I'm not defending either. I don't mind dish wheels. I'd like to see bodies of cars we actually might see on a real race track. I'd prefer a grey 5 or 6-spoke wheel, but it isn't going to make racing any better or worse for anyone if that is an option.
Banning dish wheels is a stupid thing to champion. It's like asking for a certain color to be banned from racing paint jobs.
I'll take these dish wheels any day...
#28
Regional Moderator
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I know its hard to remember guys, but think hard, cars still went fast and still handled well before dish wheels and ridiculous bodies like the Ride "Accord".(I still haven't seen a real world Accord that flat, with a trunk that big )
And to the people saying "what does it matter". What matters is that for some people, they like their cars to look good. It doesn't mean that its more important than performance.
Its no different than why people spend hours painting, or big $$$ to get, a nice looking body. Does it make the car go faster, no, but its still a hobby and people like to....I don't know...enjoy themselves. For some people, an all white body is all they need because good paint wont make the car go faster, but for others, it matters.
Its no different with the non-dish wheels. Just because dish wheels are all you need in the hobby, doesn't mean that its not important. There are SO many issues that people argue about in this hobby that I could care less about. But one things for sure, I'm not going to look at the issue, and because its not big to me, just say 'meh'.
I'm not "Championing" the ban dish wheels cause. Banning dish wheels would be just as bad as not having the chance to use non-dish wheels.
And to the people saying "what does it matter". What matters is that for some people, they like their cars to look good. It doesn't mean that its more important than performance.
Its no different than why people spend hours painting, or big $$$ to get, a nice looking body. Does it make the car go faster, no, but its still a hobby and people like to....I don't know...enjoy themselves. For some people, an all white body is all they need because good paint wont make the car go faster, but for others, it matters.
Its no different with the non-dish wheels. Just because dish wheels are all you need in the hobby, doesn't mean that its not important. There are SO many issues that people argue about in this hobby that I could care less about. But one things for sure, I'm not going to look at the issue, and because its not big to me, just say 'meh'.
I'm not "Championing" the ban dish wheels cause. Banning dish wheels would be just as bad as not having the chance to use non-dish wheels.
#29
When I started in r/c racing we were running a 1/12 prototype group c style body. I race this style body also in PRO10 and 1/10 nitro. In offroad I have always seen real sleek racing bodies (Schumacher, Yokomo). Since they did not represent the "real"cars Tamiya decided to start to manufactere at late 80's to produce real looking cars for parkinglotracing. Only Tamiya, Kyosho and a few others make reallooking bodies, others are made for racing. If you want to race real looking bodies go racing in the Tamiya series.
#30
........with that reasoning sedans should be tossed an only lolas should be ran........anyone who says they can tell a difference between running dish and spoked wheels is pulling your leg........even 1./8 wheels are spoked..............