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Old 09-08-2011, 01:42 PM   #2236
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hey guys

i run my LE out doors on asphalt and i am wearing the pod plate out
mainly the left side, yet the track has mostly left corners.
it squats a lot under acceleration (running 2s,10.5 on boost/turbo)
should i try a heavier spring or could i just limit the down travel ?
its standard at the moment red centre and side springs

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Are you wearing the front-edge, or rear edge of the plate?

If it's the front-edge and your set-up will allow, go to a stiffer center spring.

I run the red spring in 1s applications, so it may be a tad soft for 2s. Try a white or green and see if that corrects the issue.
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thaks guys. running around 6mm ride height. no tweak and chassis is balanced.
its the front of the pod. i need to get a new plate so will order a harder spring as well.
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hey guys

i run my LE out doors on asphalt and i am wearing the pod plate out
mainly the left side, yet the track has mostly left corners.
it squats a lot under acceleration (running 2s,10.5 on boost/turbo)
should i try a heavier spring or could i just limit the down travel ?
its standard at the moment red centre and side springs

ozzy
Besides a stiffer center spring, I used a Xray TC shock and spring on my Pro car for 2S setups.

And do you have the two flat 4-40 nuts in place under the Molded Center Pivot? The leading edge of my rear pods would tend to hang down a bit more without them. Easy to forget...LOL

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Hello guys,

We have indoor carpet track in Chino CA.

Annual Radiopost Grand Prix will be held on Sept. 25th.

If you guys plan to go to IIC, it will be a great IIC Warmup race.

Also, Click Here to visit the CRC Gen-X 10 Parts Store.

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thaks guys. running around 6mm ride height. no tweak and chassis is balanced.
its the front of the pod. i need to get a new plate so will order a harder spring as well.
If your setup is correct for your track use a limiter on the shockshaft. A stiffer centerspring will give you a different handling car.

Running a tc shock instead of the 1/12 shock will improve the handling and you have a bigger choice in springs. depending on traction 12lbs or 14lbs spring should be a base spring rate for link cars
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Old 09-09-2011, 11:53 AM   #2242
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hey guys

i run my LE out doors on asphalt and i am wearing the pod plate out
mainly the left side, yet the track has mostly left corners.
it squats a lot under acceleration (running 2s,10.5 on boost/turbo)
should i try a heavier spring or could i just limit the down travel ?
its standard at the moment red centre and side springs

ozzy
with 2s racing i agree on changing out the center shock to the TC one

have you repacked your side tubes? (that can make a huge difference on how the car reacts from side to side)

also how old and what side springs are you running? could try newer and stiffer side springs as well.

i had the same issue with my Ol' pro10 car but it was tweaked... you can visually look from under the front bumper to rear pod and see it lean to one side (bent bulkhead)
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Car diffing out on a fast tight turn?

I know this has probably happen to anyone driving a pan car before, myself included. Most of the time i just drive a little slow into the turn or don't dope the front tires as much but I'm looking for a better solution?

What kind of setup change would you make when the car is lifting the inside rear wheel on a high-speed tight turn?

I was thinking about trying softer rear springs or thinner tube lube.
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Old 09-12-2011, 12:18 PM   #2244
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What kind of setup change would you make when the car is lifting the inside rear wheel on a high-speed tight turn?

I was thinking about trying softer rear springs or thinner tube lube.
hey Brent,

are your tires glued? how thick is your tube lube? (sorry), what center and side springs are you running? also what is your caster angle? have you tried using less sauce?

(you coming over for the Time Zone Grand Prix?)

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Red side springs, 3 turns down from top
20K lube (never thought about using it that way, i should give it a try)
White center
1.5mm rear droop
No glue on side walls (not a fan of doing this)

The front setup on my car is way off from the norm but works well for my driving style. I recently went to 1/10 king pins versus 1/12 to try and stop the traction roll issues with this car. Instead of traction rolling the car is lifting the inside tire on tight turns. I can stop it from happening but have to take the corner a little slower which has obvious outcomes.

Zero caster blocks
1 shim fwd, 2 back
red springs on 1/10 king pin
in-line axles
1.25 deg camber
Frnt, middle wheel base and track width

I recently rebuilt the car with a new chassis so i changed things up a bit. I'll probably migrate back to my old setup as i keep practicing. I think the first thing i'll try is 5 and 10 deg caster blocks.

If I can get a business trip planned around I'll be there. You going to Vegas?
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Red side springs, 3 turns down from top
20K lube (never thought about using it that way, i should give it a try)
White center
1.5mm rear droop
No glue on side walls (not a fan of doing this)

The front setup on my car is way off from the norm but works well for my driving style. I recently went to 1/10 king pins versus 1/12 to try and stop the traction roll issues with this car. Instead of traction rolling the car is lifting the inside tire on tight turns. I can stop it from happening but have to take the corner a little slower which has obvious outcomes.

Zero caster blocks
1 shim fwd, 2 back
red springs on 1/10 king pin
in-line axles
1.25 deg camber
Frnt, middle wheel base and track width

I recently rebuilt the car with a new chassis so i changed things up a bit. I'll probably migrate back to my old setup as i keep practicing. I think the first thing i'll try is 5 and 10 deg caster blocks.

If I can get a business trip planned around I'll be there. You going to Vegas?
i had some serious issues like that at the TZ grand prix and BW and other people told me to glue my tires and it cured it instantly! (im not a fan of gluing either) but you seen my home track in salem... not used to high traction at all!

for my driving style i prefer 10 degree blocks with all the caster shims in the back position.

do you have alot of traction there? you can even take out some of the camber or go to zero

ive been saying for 3 years im going to go to VEGAS but yet again... i am not. remodeling a house takes alot of time and money i found out when you do it yourself!!! lol (why couldnt i have found house, yard, and bath crashers in DIY!!!)
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Red side springs, 3 turns down from top
20K lube (never thought about using it that way, i should give it a try)
White center
1.5mm rear droop
No glue on side walls (not a fan of doing this)

The front setup on my car is way off from the norm but works well for my driving style. I recently went to 1/10 king pins versus 1/12 to try and stop the traction roll issues with this car. Instead of traction rolling the car is lifting the inside tire on tight turns. I can stop it from happening but have to take the corner a little slower which has obvious outcomes.

Zero caster blocks
1 shim fwd, 2 back
red springs on 1/10 king pin
in-line axles
1.25 deg camber
Frnt, middle wheel base and track width

I recently rebuilt the car with a new chassis so i changed things up a bit. I'll probably migrate back to my old setup as i keep practicing. I think the first thing i'll try is 5 and 10 deg caster blocks.

If I can get a business trip planned around I'll be there. You going to Vegas?
Suggestions for a smooth carpet track with reasonable traction...

- Zero caster blocks (to 10 degree blocks)
- 1 shim fwd, 2 back (No change)
- red springs on 1/10 king pin back to 1/12 king pins with 50/55 springs
- in-line axles (to trailing which goes well with the long wheelbase setting below)
- 1.25 deg camber (to reduce camber to the point that traction rolling is not an issue. Probably closer to 0.50 deg on medium traction to 1.0 on high traction carpet - MOST IMPORTANT
Can further reduce camber change by replacing standard tops arms with long top arms.)
- Frnt, middle wheel base and track width (to long wheelbase and wide track)
- Just a thin bead of CA on the sidewalls. Spread it thin with an Xacto knife.

And then attend the IIC to meet up with Team CRC and possibly attend Dumper's Speed Shop.

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Old 09-13-2011, 12:01 AM   #2248
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Thanks for the ideas Bill.

Tried some new things tonight practicing, all where for the good.

Not a fan of the 12th scale king pin on the LE car. Car is to edge and wants to flip unless you run ultra thin tires which i don't do for club racing. 1/10th king pins with side springs let the car roll more reducing traction roll tendency.

I definitely was running to much cambered backed it .75deg which helped. (That was a serious brain fart)

Signed up for Vegas back in June, can't wait. Going for the slow classes this year; 17.5 12th, 13.5 WGT, 17.5 blinky TC. I've been schooled by Dumper a few times, if i was running 10.5 in Vegas I'm sure it would happen again.
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Thanks for the ideas Bill.

Tried some new things tonight practicing, all where for the good.

Not a fan of the 12th scale king pin on the LE car. Car is to edge and wants to flip unless you run ultra thin tires which i don't do for club racing. 1/10th king pins with side springs let the car roll more reducing traction roll tendency.

I definitely was running to much cambered backed it .75deg which helped. (That was a serious brain fart)

Signed up for Vegas back in June, can't wait. Going for the slow classes this year; 17.5 12th, 13.5 WGT, 17.5 blinky TC. I've been schooled by Dumper a few times, if i was running 10.5 in Vegas I'm sure it would happen again.
Sounds like you are on track. Dumper had to remind me about the camber again last year because the traction goes so high at the IIC.

Towards the end of the IIC last year, I had like .25 neg camber and the tires were not coning.

A-la Dumper.

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and Brian laid into me for my AWESOME SKILLS on cutting tires!!!!
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