R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-21-2010, 11:02 PM   #11311
Tech Master
 
J-milz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Staten island
Posts: 1,452
Trader Rating: 35 (100%+)
Default Need help

Just got my bubble burst by a friend that runs mini coop's. I recently aquired a M03 mini on Ebay for cheap and was planning on running it for the first time at a local club's events. The car runs as of now but I was told that the stock ESC the TEU-101BK should be taken out because I wont be competitive with it. What would be a great inexpensive alternative for stock motor racing. Was thinking of yanking my Traxxas Slash ESC, but dont wanna keep doin the swap thing. Would like to spend no more than $50 bucks.

Your thoughts?
J-milz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2010, 11:23 PM   #11312
Tech Master
 
hprt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Airdrie, Alberta
Posts: 1,715
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by J-milz View Post
Just got my bubble burst by a friend that runs mini coop's. I recently aquired a M03 mini on Ebay for cheap and was planning on running it for the first time at a local club's events. The car runs as of now but I was told that the stock ESC the TEU-101BK should be taken out because I wont be competitive with it. What would be a great inexpensive alternative for stock motor racing. Was thinking of yanking my Traxxas Slash ESC, but dont wanna keep doin the swap thing. Would like to spend no more than $50 bucks.

Your thoughts?
Your friend is mistaken - there is absoultely no reason to replace the stock Tamiya speedo for stock (silver or black can) racing. Some of the top drivers at our club use the 101BK with no issues, and we even mandate it for our spec TT-01 class with black cans (we have never had one fail).

Follow some of the basic setup advice earlier in this thread (ride height, tires, springs, etc) to give you some help getting the car to drive the way you want it to, without traction rolls.
__________________
Cheers,
Scott W

Vice President, KARZ.ca
WCICS Rep - Karz RC Club
hprt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 12:37 AM   #11313
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Default

Totally agree, nothing at all wrong with the TEU-101BK, it's a good little speedo. I run mine with an HPI Saturn 20 turn (bearing in mind the speedo is only rated down to 23 turn!) and it's been fine all season. I change it back to a black can for stock class and it's plenty competitve, hell I even run friction dampers. Mini's are all about getting the balance right mainly through using varying tyres, and refining your driving style. Oh yeah, and having a laugh too. It wouldn't be any fun if Mini's suddenly went as serious as Touring Cars.
Mini35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 05:18 AM   #11314
Tech Champion
 
k_bojar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,917
Trader Rating: 30 (100%+)
Send a message via ICQ to k_bojar Send a message via AIM to k_bojar
Default

the only reason to change out the speedo is if you wanna run Lipo - I don't believe that version has a lipo cut-off built in, but with silver can motors I seriously doubt you'll hit the 'danger' zone on a lipo

run it and see how it works you can always look in the for sale section and find someone selling off old brushed speedos fairly cheap

you planning on running at the 'Slowbirds'??
__________________
Bodies By Bean | Team Belly
k_bojar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 05:41 AM   #11315
Tech Elite
 
caltek1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,354
Trader Rating: 33 (100%+)
Default

k_bojar,

For the Tamiya plastic steering I used 0.3mm of shims on one side and 0.2mm shims on the other side. This was for the bearings. I test fitted and ensured that the steering did not bind.

The amount of shims required will be dependant on the amount of play on your car. I also shimmed the top camber links between the chassis and the link and the c hub and link. again only sadded one shim to each side, by memory it was 0.2mm.

The shim set I used for the steering was either the Tamiya 5mm or 6mm set. I know that I have posted what I used previously somewhere in this thread or in the aussie mini thread.

I have since changed my steering rack on both my MO5's to the Tamiya alloy steering rack, which I like and use the outer hole on the steering pivot block as it makes the steering slower to react.

Regards,

Calvin.

Last edited by caltek1; 01-22-2010 at 05:43 AM. Reason: xtra text
caltek1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 05:44 AM   #11316
Tech Champion
 
k_bojar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,917
Trader Rating: 30 (100%+)
Send a message via ICQ to k_bojar Send a message via AIM to k_bojar
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by caltek1 View Post
k_bojar,

For the Tamiya plastic steering I used 0.3mm of shims on one side and 0.2mm shims on the other side. This was for the bearings. I test fitted and ensured that the steering did not bind.

The amount of shims required will be dependant on the amount of play on your car. I also shimmed the top camber links between the chassis and the link and the c hub and link. again only sadded one shim to each side, by memory it was 0.2mm.

The shim set I used for the steering was either the Tamiya 5mm or 6mm set. I know that I have posted what I used previously somewhere in this thread or in the aussie mini thread.

Regards,

Calvin.
thanks Calvin - I remember reading it before, but i went back fairly far yesterday, but didn't see it...So i figured it wouldn't hurt asking again

I was more concerned with WHICH shim kit it was - either the 5mm or 6mm kit - I have the 3mm set, but obiviously that won't fit the steering rack..

does the Tamiya hop-up steering set help with all the slop?
__________________
Bodies By Bean | Team Belly
k_bojar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 05:53 AM   #11317
Tech Elite
 
caltek1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,354
Trader Rating: 33 (100%+)
Default

k_bojar,

The complete Tamiya alloy steering rack takes out all of the slop. The only part I did not purchase was the steering rod. The steering kit consists of three hop up parts. I know they are expensive, however they are up to the usual Tamiya quality parts. All of the parts are include in the kits. The only advice I would give is to use loctite on the screws so that your steering odes not vibrate loose. The 3Racing steering rack is also very good and cheap. When assembling add loctite to the screws.

I know that the people with this fitted to their MO5's are very happy with them. I have seen some of the plastic steering racks bend and cause steering issues.

Later,

Calvin.

Last edited by caltek1; 01-22-2010 at 05:56 AM. Reason: revised text
caltek1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 05:56 AM   #11318
Tech Champion
 
k_bojar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,917
Trader Rating: 30 (100%+)
Send a message via ICQ to k_bojar Send a message via AIM to k_bojar
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by caltek1 View Post
k_bojar,

The complete Tamiya alloy steering rack takes out all of the slop. The only part I did not purchase was the steering rod. The steering kit consists of three hop up parts. I know they are expensive, however they are up to the usual Tamiya quality parts. All of the parts are include in the kits. The only advice I would give is to use loctite on the screws so that your steering odes not vibrate loose.

I know that the people with this fitted to their MO5's are very happy with them. I have seen some of the plastic steering racks bend and cause steering issues.

Later,

Calvin.
cool - yeah, I know the parts are expensive but almost always worth it

what's the 3rd part? I know 54192 and 54191 - didn't know about a 3rd part, is that 54193?
__________________
Bodies By Bean | Team Belly
k_bojar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 06:52 AM   #11319
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by k_bojar View Post
the only reason to change out the speedo is if you wanna run Lipo - I don't believe that version has a lipo cut-off built in, but with silver can motors I seriously doubt you'll hit the 'danger' zone on a lipo
Correctomundo there, the 101BK predates LiPo-tech so there is no cutoff in it.

If you wanted a cutoff you would need the TEU-104BK which is now being phased in with the M05 kits (Abarth Assetto Corse). Its available online for less than $50. We in the UK run the LRP QC3 speedo as it's lipo ready and good value for money (we pay just under 50).

You can always add a cutoff module, I think Novak and a number of other companies make them. Or just stop running a lipo once the performance drops off.

To be honest I have a 4000mah lipo pack and 4 5 minute runs on a stock Sport Tuned motor have never taken more than 1500mah out of the pack so I doubt you'd run one flat anyway.
Mini35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 06:55 AM   #11320
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

For those who may be interested, we still have a few Red Dot silver can motors available from the production run that will ship next week.

These are killer Mini motors.

We can also provide Canada TCS legal motors that fall within their 1.3 amp @ 2 volt limit.

This will be the last production run until at least late February.

Interested parties should send me an e-mail at rccardr@cox.net
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 06:57 AM   #11321
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by k_bojar View Post
does the Tamiya hop-up steering set help with all the slop?
Oh yes, gets rid of it more or less entirely. Makes the steering very un-Tamiya really, almost like a proper TC. As Calvin says the parts are expensive but the quality is first rate and well worth the investment. After driving a friends M05 with the rack I have decided to have another go at one just to see if I can make it work (after I sold my first '05 last year) as his was superb. So that gives me a stock M03, and M03R, a Xevo and what amounts to an M05R (with all the bling) to choose from. Cost me loads but hell, I don't drink, smoke, gamble or chase women so what else is there to spend it on
Mini35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 07:08 AM   #11322
Tech Champion
 
MikeXray's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New York
Posts: 5,747
Trader Rating: 72 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeXray View Post
someone have a pic of a mini without a body at normal ride height? I'm trying to work out my servo saver/turnbuckles and I cant find the right setup that doesn't snag on the chassis.
Anyone??
__________________
Mike L. Awesomatixusa.com | TQWire.com | Islandraceway.com |JacksonRCracing.com | Horsham RC | Sweepracingusa.com
MikeXray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 09:45 AM   #11323
Tech Elite
 
niznai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: All over the place
Posts: 2,736
Default

Mike, my M05 rides at about 6mm and the steering links are nearly perfectly horizontal and don't touch anywhere even when wheels turn. I use the Tamiya aluminium steering however which I think is needlessly complicated but does take away most of the slop.
__________________
Team Greasy Weasel

The best upgrade to any car is some driver skill.
niznai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 03:35 PM   #11324
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by k_bojar View Post
what's the 3rd part? I know 54192 and 54191 - didn't know about a 3rd part, is that 54193?
Yes, 54193 is the pair of posts that clamp the steering rack arms to the chassis and replace the flexible kit plastic pieces. To be honest I'm not 100% convinced they are strictly necessary but what the heck, they look nice and are actually the cheapest part out of the 3 steering upgrades. The adjustable turnbuckle between the servo and rack arm is also cheap and looks really "bling" to set the car off. It is probably one of the longest turnbuckles ever in the history of RC.
Mini35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2010, 07:44 PM   #11325
Tech Champion
 
k_bojar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,917
Trader Rating: 30 (100%+)
Send a message via ICQ to k_bojar Send a message via AIM to k_bojar
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mini35 View Post
Yes, 54193 is the pair of posts that clamp the steering rack arms to the chassis and replace the flexible kit plastic pieces. To be honest I'm not 100% convinced they are strictly necessary but what the heck, they look nice and are actually the cheapest part out of the 3 steering upgrades. The adjustable turnbuckle between the servo and rack arm is also cheap and looks really "bling" to set the car off. It is probably one of the longest turnbuckles ever in the history of RC.
cool...after i posted my message, i went back and looked at the descriptions on each part

I found a nice deal on ebay for the 3 parts, so I ordered them today should have got the big turnbuckle, but forgot oh well
__________________
Bodies By Bean | Team Belly
k_bojar is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tamiya Mini Cooper M-03L Hop-ups mini71 R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 4 05-04-2016 11:07 AM
Tamiya Mini Cooper mach51 R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 10 09-02-2011 12:08 AM
FS:TAMIYA Mini Cooper, TA 04S rthmotorsports R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 4 10-20-2007 09:37 PM
Tamiya 415 MSX and M03 Mini Cooper F/S Racer X79 R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 14 12-22-2006 07:38 AM
Tamiya M01,02,03, or 04 Mini Cooper ccugolf.com R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 2 12-05-2004 08:55 PM


Tags
m03, m03r ules, m05, mini, tamiya


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (0 members and 4 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 01:15 AM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net

SEO by vBSEO 3.5.0