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Old 06-22-2014, 01:02 AM   #21391
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So, on a completely different subject, I've got an eBay auction going for the world's crappiest wind chimes. Let my shame become yours! Built from actual junk I was going to throw out anyway, these chimes (I use the word "chimes" very loosely) can be a decorative addition to the front porch of any crap shack, or simply something you regret buying. No reserve! Bid now!

Good lord, the off season is killing me.
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Old 06-22-2014, 01:36 AM   #21392
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There's no real point to this story, other than to remind people to not take it so seriously. It comes down to skill, luck and sweat. If you have two out of three, you might win.
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Old 06-22-2014, 05:51 AM   #21393
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Nah, running with a group that's competitive, creative, constantly working to improve, isn't the or a problem. It's exciting, stimulating and challenging. Not a "cheater" in the bunch, but we know the rules backwards and forwards. And we're not above pushing them to limit.

I know from personal experience that someone can go fast just like that. When I first started running with the Mini Mafia, I followed common sense and copied the set ups etc, that most were running. It just wasn't working for me and getting lapped is no fun. FOR ANYONE. So I went to a LWB, soft springs, stiffer spring in the rear, rear roll bar, etc which no one was doing at the time. I went from getting lapped to running with the faster guys and running faster than some of the faster guys. Using your criteria, I was Cheating cause no one goes faster just like that.

The people you've quoted confirming that the 21.5 motors under the present 21.5 motor rules are are closer than the rpm limited Silvercans are either delusional or very inexperienced. While it is true that motors of the same make are very similar in performance, there are huge differences between the makes. The Mini Mafia group at the Tamiya USA track have tested almost all of the motors available. We've found that some are severely handicapped in speed in a Mini, even though they work just fine in classes that allow gearing changes.
No I wasn't talking about the 21.5 motors, but those are like all others. There is only so much power you can get out of a motor. Sure, some are built for torque, some for speed, but I never imagined someone would be so daft to mix the two. My mistake. Well, you and your friends have discovered what everybody else already knew. Motors are not built with the mini class in mind. Be sensible. My comment earlier was that within reason, motors are pretty much the same. Sure, some won't fit a class with limited gearing, but that's not the motors' problem. There's plenty that will and those will be pretty close. You just need to find the range of motors that suit your class.

Like I said before. Brushless motors are pretty much the same (actually a lot closer than silvercan to silvercan, let alone there were like a gazillion types of silvercans).

And no, nobody goes faster just like that. I think you didn't understand me. If you were on pace and everybody's setup is very close to perfect, you can't just go faster all of sudden just like that. Your experience supports my statement. If you are way behind, then you're doing something really wrong. Yes, in that situation, if you get your problems figured out you will go faster, just like that. But not faster by a lap than everybody else who had the right setup to begin with. You need to be more careful how you read me.

You can keep going on about setup, I dare say there is no setup no matter how bad that will leave one a lap behind in a mini class, short of a bad motor (or really poor driving).

As for pushing the limits of the rules, I think that is not the point of the rules. The rules are there to create a fun environment for people to play with toy cars. Take a look around you. Every time someone focuses on pushing the limits of the rules, the fun goes out the window. Perhaps you should try to have fun instead.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:31 AM   #21394
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As for pushing the limits of the rules, I think that is not the point of the rules. The rules are there to create a fun environment for people to play with toy cars. Take a look around you. Every time someone focuses on pushing the limits of the rules, the fun goes out the window. Perhaps you should try to have fun instead.
Niz I'm glad the group of people (can't say guys anymore, because I'm seeing many more Ladies and young women show up to drive and race) just run to have fun with these toy cars.
Many of the places my son and myself have traveled to over the past couple of years, we have seen attitudes of this is totally serious and I'm going to do whatever it takes to win by either bending the rules or just flat out driving styles. Yes there are many of us out here who are in it for just the fun factor and I know for a fact that its not an age thing. I have seen fathers, relatives, and just friends of young kids just entering this hobby (oooops did I call it that?) Try and relive their lives and instill their sense of competition into these young kids when all they want to do is spend time with their Dads/Moms ( yes I've noticed Moms doing it too) and have a bunch of fun, but when the kid wrecks or comes in 5th in the c main the parent wigs out. I really do wish and hope that peoples attitudes do change when it come to teaching their children about competition in our hobby otherwise its just going to wind up like little league baseball or jv football/soccer
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Old 06-22-2014, 10:11 AM   #21395
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I think this is one of those things that drives people away from the hobbies/activities (not only this hobby). If winning relies on knowing the rules inside out and exploiting loopholes, even the kid with the best car and skill can't win because somebody knows some trick hidden in the rules and get the leg up on them, then you might as well call the lawyers and have them play. I don't want that, thank you very much. Or maybe I just don't have the competitive gene.

But I'll tell you this. Not sure if you've seen this show, but you might be able to find it on the web. James May of Top Gear fame has made this show where he goes at some racing clubs in the UK where people race Scalextric cars. What these people do is have one night where all the nutcases hell bent on winning are let loose, but the rest of the nights are for people to have fun. I think that way it works best and people from kids to pensioners can feel the pleasure of the hobby. This is pretty much how our clubs here in Oz are (I have belonged to a few, moving around the country). It's a nice atmosphere, people are dedicated and anyone can walk off the street and race whatever they want. Maybe that's the main reason brushless doesn't work in the mini class in some places. Given that silvercan didn't work either, I think the problem is not with the motors, or the batteries, or the speedos or the rules or whatever but with people's mentality.
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Well I guess I'm just a nut case then, cause even at this age, competing is fun. But I think that everyone has their own way of having fun. I like to run with the "best" and see if I can still keep up. I enjoy sharing knowledge with other racers that took me time to learn and seeing them improve. What's really gratifying is to see the other guys in the "group" doing a lot of "helping" to tighten up the field so that we can put it on the track and beat each others brains out.

I get a lot of PMs from people all over the place. Answer them all with the best I have to offer. Get a lot of responses thanking me for the help. That's fun and gratifying. Also some don't bother to reply, which can be a little annoying especially if they come back asking for more help. Still, overall, fun.

What's fun is "discussing" with my friends theories, ideas, comparing notes. Figuring out what changes to toe out do to the behavior of a car plus a multitude of other adjustments. Then going out and trying it out to prove or disprove a point under discussion.

The most fun for me is taking a car, working with it, and chopping the lap times down a little or a lot. Also enjoy seeing fellow racers improve even if they do wind up kicking my butt.

If those types of things aren't fun for you, we'll never reach an understanding. I'm getting the impression that I may be the odd man out here. So if none of these types of things is how you get your jollys ----------.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:49 AM   #21397
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That is different from trying to push the rules as you said above (which I think all that silvercan tuning was).

Here's one for you. I have witnessed a race where the guy who won the mod class did so by sacrificing a speedo and a motor per final leg. Top driver (not sponsored), no comments there, but there were others just as good and more experienced. He won by squeezing the motors to the point they only lasted one leg. The speedos I think were collateral damage. Pretty expensive for a week end of racing (three LRP TC speedos at about 300$ each plus three motors at about 160$ each). Well, he won. Within the rules.

Just to give you some image of where pushing the rules might take you.

I prefer to give up before this trend even starts.
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I got to test my M05v2 in full race trim yesterday. I was very happy with these runs.
The biggest thing thing that I noticed is that the car stays flatter through the turns. I brought the sway bar kit with intentions of installing them, but I didn't need them at all. It transitions in the turns more crisp then my standard M03 or M05. I was running on med traction carpet. I didn't spend too much time with setup since my next race with the car will be at the TCS @ Jackson NJ (outdoor asphalt). I'm trying to find the right words to describe the difference... I can't put my finger on it, so for now I'll just say 'it was just better'
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Old 06-22-2014, 12:52 PM   #21400
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Glad to know about this Mini cooper,i check it out your submitted link,its nice to know about that,actually Mini is a very awesome model car and BMW made it with some other designs and people like it so much.
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Well I guess I'm just a nut case then,
How does that make you different from anyone else on this forum?
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This is great information. Since you are one of the most helpful mini guys. Can you please share your findings? You know to make mini as fair as you claim you'd like.

From the Mini Mafia's findings, please list the best 21.5 to use in a Mini, at the Tamiya America Track. Rotor and timing settings would also be most helpful for those traveling to TA for the finals. (remember, all things fair, no local track advantage)
Seriously, would you answer a question if it were presented to you in this way?? I don't respond well to sarcasm nor am I going to give you any consideration if you threaten me. Good grief, this is the first time I've ever been tempted to tell someone to go pound sand. But I won't react in that manner cause it's just not mannerly.

Most of the questions you demanding the answers to, I've posted answers to at one time another. I've never done it in a spread sheet, because a lot of it is just opinion. The best motor is the R1. Timing set 35+ depending on how hot the motor gets. Another good motor is the Speed Passion as is the Killshot and the Thunder Power. Those seem to be faster motors in the one's we've tested. Reedy, Novak, Schuur don't make the cut cause you just can't dial in enough timing the way the rules are written. This is just a summary of stuff I've posted earlier and was there if you were paying attention.

Can you take this to the bank??? No, cause it's just my opinion. However, these are the motors most commonly seen at the Tamiya track. For example, I like the R1 cause my best lap times are with it. It doesn't seem to be the fastest motor in a straight line. The vagueness is there cause I don't have any cut and dry answers for you. You asked for specific timing, but that really depends on the day. You knew that. Sorry, can't help you with the rotor stuff, cause I settled on the R1, so haven't paid much attention. I did try the red and blue rotors in the Thunder Power and did not see a difference in lap times.

I'd like to help you on the no local advantage comment, but there is always a local advantage, no matter what track you go to.

I answered as politely and in as gentlemanly a manner as I could. I thought your post was rude, but gave you the benefit of the doubt. I probably grew up in a different era where civility was more highly regarded.
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I don't think Markus was threatening at all in his comments Granpa. You seems to take offense where there is none.

Anyone else see this on Redrc?



Hope tamiya gets some inspiration from it.
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I am having such a difficult time finding affordable M03 turnbuckle ends. I snapped one one My M03 and one on the wife's. Would ones for a TA04 or a DT03 fit it? I'm not trying to be TCS legal, just drivable.
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