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I've seen this mentioned a few times and it is not true at our track.
Beginning in 2013 we have been running 21.5 with no timing.
(Our race director was assuming that TCS would be going to this in 2014)
You can always tell when someone shows up with a silver can in their car. The 21.5 cars are quite a bit slower down the long straight than the silver can cars.
Beginning in 2013 we have been running 21.5 with no timing.
(Our race director was assuming that TCS would be going to this in 2014)
You can always tell when someone shows up with a silver can in their car. The 21.5 cars are quite a bit slower down the long straight than the silver can cars.
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The TCS rules page says any ROAR-approved motor, but there are no restrictions on timing. That's probably NOT a recipe for success. I foresee a bunch of dead ESCs in the future.
And speaking of ESCs, the TCS rules page for them is blank at the moment. It would be nice to see them restricted to ROAR-approved blinky.
And speaking of ESCs, the TCS rules page for them is blank at the moment. It would be nice to see them restricted to ROAR-approved blinky.
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I've seen this mentioned a few times and it is not true at our track.
Beginning in 2013 we have been running 21.5 with no timing.
(Our race director was assuming that TCS would be going to this in 2014)
You can always tell when someone shows up with a silver can in their car. The 21.5 cars are quite a bit slower down the long straight than the silver can cars.
Beginning in 2013 we have been running 21.5 with no timing.
(Our race director was assuming that TCS would be going to this in 2014)
You can always tell when someone shows up with a silver can in their car. The 21.5 cars are quite a bit slower down the long straight than the silver can cars.
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That hasn't been my experience. The Novaks I have, Ballistic and SS, have about double the kV with around 70 degrees total advance. On the SS, that must be done electronically, but the Ballistic can be adjusted mechanically to any timing advance.
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Others may disagree, but that's my opinion and why I have it.
Last edited by CraigMBA; 12-06-2013 at 10:10 AM.
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Actually, you need to read the rules. For Mini, you may advance the timing, but only to the max timing mark on the motor. So what the motor does at 60 or 70 degrees isn't important. I only have 4 B/L motors and all of them have the max timing set at 40-50 degrees.
The fastest motors we've tested are the ones that have the max timing mark at 50 degrees when tested at the max timing mark on the motors. These motors were considerably faster down the straight than a good TCS legal Silvercan----rpms below 18,750.
If your 21.5 is slower than a TCS legal Silvercan, you have not "cranked" the timing to the max. If you have, you need to buy a motor from a different manufacturer. We've been finding that there is a variation in motors. For example, one manufacturer's "new" motor is slower than the original, all things being equal. One manufacturer uses a label, so that opens up an interesting situation.
I've been testing a prototype motor for one manufacturer that is "blow your doors down" fast. Like i said in an earlier post, we've gone from a level playing field to one that's not as level and considerably more expensive.
The fastest motors we've tested are the ones that have the max timing mark at 50 degrees when tested at the max timing mark on the motors. These motors were considerably faster down the straight than a good TCS legal Silvercan----rpms below 18,750.
If your 21.5 is slower than a TCS legal Silvercan, you have not "cranked" the timing to the max. If you have, you need to buy a motor from a different manufacturer. We've been finding that there is a variation in motors. For example, one manufacturer's "new" motor is slower than the original, all things being equal. One manufacturer uses a label, so that opens up an interesting situation.
I've been testing a prototype motor for one manufacturer that is "blow your doors down" fast. Like i said in an earlier post, we've gone from a level playing field to one that's not as level and considerably more expensive.
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Wouldn't it just be easier to spec a maximum RPM, and make it identical to the RPM limit for brushed motors?
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Yes! Spec racing is meaningless when there's this much room to screw around.
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Orca spark q with 2200kv motor seems to work awesome in western canada some of the most fun racing i've ever done very challenging to go fast
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For my own clarification, the current TCS rules have a single-sourced, spec silver can motor. Not a Mabuchi or Nidec silvercan, but specifically the Tamiya 540J (Johnson Electric). Did any of the TCS rule makers consider single sourcing a brushless motor for the M-chassis classes?
It's possible their thought process was that an open set of motors is works fine in the F1 class. But IMO, going cold-turkey like this raises a lot of concerns (like we have here already). The F1 folks have been running brushless for a while and parity issues are behind them (or so it seems, I haven't raced F1 in a while). The M-scale cars, being limited on gearing, can't compensate so much for any motor disparity.
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What's the easiest, makes the most sense, is frequently not what is done. Too often the law of unintended consequences rears it's ugly head. For the most part, Fred does a terrific and thankless job with the rules, but there are times I wonder WTF he was thinking. Jeez, he had to know that the motors from different manufacturers had different markings on them.
But, I've learned over the years, it's much easier to criticize from the sidelines. I don't particularly like these rules, but will try to conform to them. The rules are modified from time to time when obvious flaws are found.
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Cheers to that. I don't know how he puts up with all the flack.
Absolutely. We switched up to the Orca 2200KV systems mentioned above a few years ago. I'm proud to say I spearheaded the effort. The downside is, I'm usually the first to hear complaints. Even though it's resulted in Mini growing and booming and people saving money, there's still griping.
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But, I've learned over the years, it's much easier to criticize from the sidelines.
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What's the easiest, makes the most sense, is frequently not what is done. Too often the law of unintended consequences rears it's ugly head. For the most part, Fred does a terrific and thankless job with the rules...
But, I've learned over the years, it's much easier to criticize from the sidelines.
But, I've learned over the years, it's much easier to criticize from the sidelines.
Last edited by howardcano; 12-06-2013 at 07:22 PM.
Just stay with brushed motors, brushless is too costly , with their motor wars, etc... !!!!
EDIT: Oops, looks like i forgot to hit "send" on this one last night.
Well, you've got your standard "glitch buster" cap in the first pic.It's just like the one in the second pic, but it's got plug on it.
Another place a cap has come in handy in the past, though I think this might not be the issue, would be on the battery wire/power side. Any of these caps will work, but I like the Tekin (third picture) because they're small and cheap.
Well, you've got your standard "glitch buster" cap in the first pic.It's just like the one in the second pic, but it's got plug on it.
Another place a cap has come in handy in the past, though I think this might not be the issue, would be on the battery wire/power side. Any of these caps will work, but I like the Tekin (third picture) because they're small and cheap.
I found one on an old Novak GT7 ESC that came with an EBay job lot years ago, I removed it and fitted a servo plug and have it in the car now, race day tomorrow, so hopefully no problems