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Old 12-05-2013, 09:15 PM   #19966
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Well pre-CA I was getting to the point where I could drive without rolling. Just much slower than I can go now with CA. I mean fine I guess I get why they wouldn't allow it but seems they may be starting to go more the way of the Tamiya over seas rules? Have they stated that M03's are out like Japan yet?

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Old 12-05-2013, 10:40 PM   #19967
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I really hope they narrow down to a spec motor, or it's going to be battle of the tuners again. $$$! Love the no sauce idea. I know I rely on traction compound entirely too much and I'm a worse driver for it. Not saying I'm good with it, either.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:01 PM   #19968
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And a 1300 gram minimum.
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Hmmm. That is a lighter weight is it not? No sauce is just fine with me as I really don't if ever use it on my mini.

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Old 12-05-2013, 11:33 PM   #19970
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Hi all,

I'll be trying out my -1 degree upper arms and new futaba s9551 digital servo tonight. I'm interested to see if a digital servo 'feels' different from my old futaba 3010 analogue servo.

Is it just the speed I'll more than likely notice?
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:16 AM   #19971
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Something about the s9551, or any good servo, just "feels better." Can't describe it. It's like when I switched from Traxxas RTR 27mhz radio, to my first Spektrum. Things just seemed to work like I wanted them to.

I got the -1 degree uppers on as well. Looking forward to some practice laps tomorrow!
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Something about the s9551, or any good servo, just "feels better." Can't describe it. It's like when I switched from Traxxas RTR 27mhz radio, to my first Spektrum. Things just seemed to work like I wanted them to.

I got the -1 degree uppers on as well. Looking forward to some practice laps tomorrow!
I'm looking forward to trying the arms too! See if I can shake off those pesky M03's

Re the servo, I have turned the EPA down as the servo was straining after the steering was at full angle. I didn't need to do this on my old 3010 servo, all I did with that was dial in -50% exponential to make it less sensitive on the long sweepers. I guess switching to the digital servo won't make it any less sensitive??
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:33 AM   #19973
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Last year it was 1250g ... i would assume the brushless systems will add a few grans so no biggie.

I believe the no tire additives is just the Nats?

I am a silver can diehard for mini but times are changing. I also believe it will be more of a motor war with open roar brushless...people will spend big $ to gind the fastest motor!
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:29 AM   #19974
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The TCS rules page says any ROAR-approved motor, but there are no restrictions on timing. That's probably NOT a recipe for success. I foresee a bunch of dead ESCs in the future.

And speaking of ESCs, the TCS rules page for them is blank at the moment. It would be nice to see them restricted to ROAR-approved blinky.
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And speaking of ESCs, the TCS rules page for them is blank at the moment. It would be nice to see them restricted to ROAR-approved blinky.
It's listed under the "M-Chassis" section.

"No BOOST ESC (Electronic Speed Control) rules: Any ROAR legal and approved ESC may be used capable of “Blinky-Mode”. These ESC’s must not use electronic timing (boost). See General Rules for ROAR approved “blinky” ESC list."
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And so the controversy begins...
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Id be all for a locked timing spec motor...no messing around...all setup and driving.
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It's interesting to see so many people being enthusiastic about going to B/L motors and escs. I suspect it's because they feel that this will level the playing field. For those of you feeling this way, you may be mistaken for some of the following reasons.

1. For the most part, the fast guys will still be the fast guys. The 21.5 cars are faster than the Silvercan cars, so driving and set up becomes much more difficult.

2. Believe me, we will be going from a level playing field to one that's not. Not all 21.5 motors are the same speed. So instead of spending $15-20 for a motor to find a "good" one, you'll be spending $80-90. Anyone know who makes the fastest 21.5??????

3. Timing. Another interesting possible glitch. Most motor manufacturers, etch the timing marks into the motor. One, and there may be others, use a label. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that one.

4. Tires. You have to know what to do to with the tires.

5. There will be a much bigger disparity in lap times. The higher speeds will make this a much more dangerous situation.

There are probably more things, but these are the ones that come immediately to mind. I believe that this switch does not "level" the playing field, but will have the opposite affect. Most of the good set ups for a Silvercan have been posted. There are significant changes that need to be made for a good 21.5 car. So far these haven't been posted.
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Id be all for a locked timing spec motor...no messing around...all setup and driving.
That would be best. I'd be willing to junk the motor I just bought and switch (if necessary) to whatever spec motor is selected.
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1. For the most part, the fast guys will still be the fast guys. The 21.5 cars are faster than the Silvercan cars . . . .
I've seen this mentioned a few times and it is not true at our track.

Beginning in 2013 we have been running 21.5 with no timing.
(Our race director was assuming that TCS would be going to this in 2014)

You can always tell when someone shows up with a silver can in their car. The 21.5 cars are quite a bit slower down the long straight than the silver can cars.
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