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Old 06-20-2011, 04:59 PM   #286
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Is it getting hot in here ?
HAHA i was gonna say something as well. Thanx Charles..See you Sat/Sunday!
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TA06 PRO Thoughts

Set up:
Shock Oil :40wt AE F/R
Gear Diff :Front:120,000 Wt Ofna Diff Oil
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Camber: Stock Settings
Toe:Stock Settings
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Esc:Speedpassion LPF
Spur:94*T(later realized i i had the wrong one in. Needed an 84T Spur)
Pinion:48T
Body: Tamiya NSX 2004
Battery: Thunderpower 2700mah 35C

I finished building the TA-06 at the track and I eagerly took it out on the pavement to see what this car could do. After a few clicks on the steering trim the car was ready to go. Initially the car was very responsive, which I liked and as I went ahead and sped down the long 165’ straight. The car felt decent. It was a little faster than the few sedans that were there during practice, so I figured the speed was ok. At the end of the straight there was a high speed chicane which a lot of the cars either took down perfect or dotted out going too fast.
The TA06 Pro has no issues that I can see so far. This is probably due to the centrally placed battery position and almost zero roll. The car didn’t need sway bars in my opinion and made the car super fast in certain sections. I probably made up about 1/10th to 2/10ths of a second on people in the chicane. Turn-in on the car was very good as well. I have forgotten what it was like to have a diff in the front from running Spools up front for the last 4-5 years. You can cut into a turn easily with out the initial understeer characteristics the spool normally has. On sweeping turns and carousels, the car held its line without veering away from the inside line of the turn. This was very impressive! The car did not roll very much, so I concluded that with a non-boosted 17.5 set up, sway bars are not necessary. The only thing I noticed and it being evident on rear diff powered cars, was that in a sharp turn, you can not stab the throttle like you can with a rear ball diff. A lot of drivers are smoother on the throttle than I am and this would not be an issue for them, but for me with my “Hammer Hands”, I really had to baby the trigger. No big deal though, you adapt and go racing!
When the heat started, I was 2nd to last on the grid then I got taken out on the chicane. I managed to move my way up to 3rd place and tested the speed of my TA06 against the 2nd place driver on the long straight. He pulled away from me pretty hard. So in the end of the heat, I managed to stay in 3rd place. I geared up my pinion to 51 from a 48T to see what my car could do. The same thing happened in the second heat, but I was a little faster this time. Unfortunately, I was still off the pace. I was starting to think it was the rear transmission of the new TA06 slowing the car down since it’s a departure from the TA05 dual, equal length belt design. I ended up running my TA-05 IFSR in the mains to see if maybe it was my batteries or motor going slow. It turns out I was geared wrong the whole time. I had a 94T Spur thinking I had an 84T spur-gear in the car. A FDR (Final Drive Ratio) of 4.22 to 3.55 FDR is a big difference!!! Oops. You really have to laugh at these things. Something so simple makes such a difference. Well, good thing I own a permanent track. I will test the TA06 Pro with the new gear ratio and see what kind of speeds this car is capable of. That and my THunderpower 5300 65C batteries. I thought maybe the lighter weight would give me an advantage but i'm going for broke..MORE POWER!! Until then, see you at the track!
You ran with the IFS or stand up?
Nice report good to hear that the car is capable right out of the box. I'm going to run 17.5 boosted, so I'll try the 500k front with 1K rear. Hopefully, I'll race it this Sun to see how it will do against the CF cars
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Does the diff lock stuff set up firm, or does it stay super thick n nasty?
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LOL! Can someone just answer the question....
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Can someone tell me why would I get a TA06 vs a 417 (or a TB series for that matter)? It's a serious question since I don't know what Tamiya's marketing strategy is here. I.e. - I believe all the pros run the 417. So why would anyone even bother buying the TA06 aside from the cost? Seems to me like it's half the cost of the 417. Thanks in advance.
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quite simple, to dominate the lower end market. Not everyone can afford a 417.

I have seen what a ta05 can do in capable hands.
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Can someone tell me why would I get a TA06 vs a 417 (or a TB series for that matter)? It's a serious question since I don't know what Tamiya's marketing strategy is here. I.e. - I believe all the pros run the 417. So why would anyone even bother buying the TA06 aside from the cost? Seems to me like it's half the cost of the 417. Thanks in advance.
some spec classes don't allow CF/double deck kits -- only tub/plastic chassis. also the TA06 was designed for the mid-level racer or the beginner wanting to upgrade to something more performance oriented without breaking the bank (there's only so much you can do with the TT-01-series of kits from Tamiya).
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LOL! Can someone just answer the question....
It stays tacky and fluid (and I use the term "fluid" loosely). I have been running it in the front of my Yoke since Novemberish without a need for a refresh......

.....and just built the front diff of my minty fresh TA06 with it as well (thanks to Speedtech to the awesome quick shipping and great customer service).

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Can someone tell me why would I get a TA06 vs a 417 (or a TB series for that matter)? It's a serious question since I don't know what Tamiya's marketing strategy is here. I.e. - I believe all the pros run the 417. So why would anyone even bother buying the TA06 aside from the cost? Seems to me like it's half the cost of the 417. Thanks in advance.
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You ran with the IFS or stand up?Nice report good to hear that the car is capable right out of the box. I'm going to run 17.5 boosted, so I'll try the 500k front with 1K rear. Hopefully, I'll race it this Sun to see how it will do against the CF cars
He ran the IFS with the HSV body. It ran good. I ran with him during practice with my TM E4JS. The TA06 drove really well in the infield. Hopefully Charlie will put out a setup sheet once he gets more time with it.
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Nice report good to hear that the car is capable right out of the box. I'm going to run 17.5 boosted, so I'll try the 500k front with 1K rear. Hopefully, I'll race it this Sun to see how it will do against the CF cars
I ran it IFS btw. I will post my set up soon.
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TA06 PRO Thoughts

Set up:
Shock Oil :40wt AE F/R
Gear Diff :Front:120,000 Wt Ofna Diff Oil
:Rear 30,000Wt Ofna Diff Oil
Camber: Stock Settings
Toe:Stock Settings
Springs: Stock Settings(Yellow F/R)
Motor: Speedpassion V3.0 17.5 w/30* Sensor
Esc:Speedpassion LPF
Spur:94*T(later realized i i had the wrong one in. Needed an 84T Spur)
Pinion:48T
Body: Tamiya NSX 2004
Battery: Thunderpower 2700mah 35C

I finished building the TA-06 at the track and I eagerly took it out on the pavement to see what this car could do. After a few clicks on the steering trim the car was ready to go. Initially the car was very responsive, which I liked and as I went ahead and sped down the long 165’ straight. The car felt decent. It was a little faster than the few sedans that were there during practice, so I figured the speed was ok. At the end of the straight there was a high speed chicane which a lot of the cars either took down perfect or dotted out going too fast.
The TA06 Pro has no issues that I can see so far. This is probably due to the centrally placed battery position and almost zero roll. The car didn’t need sway bars in my opinion and made the car super fast in certain sections. I probably made up about 1/10th to 2/10ths of a second on people in the chicane. Turn-in on the car was very good as well. I have forgotten what it was like to have a diff in the front from running Spools up front for the last 4-5 years. You can cut into a turn easily with out the initial understeer characteristics the spool normally has. On sweeping turns and carousels, the car held its line without veering away from the inside line of the turn. This was very impressive! The car did not roll very much, so I concluded that with a non-boosted 17.5 set up, sway bars are not necessary. The only thing I noticed and it being evident on rear diff powered cars, was that in a sharp turn, you can not stab the throttle like you can with a rear ball diff. A lot of drivers are smoother on the throttle than I am and this would not be an issue for them, but for me with my “Hammer Hands”, I really had to baby the trigger. No big deal though, you adapt and go racing!
When the heat started, I was 2nd to last on the grid then I got taken out on the chicane. I managed to move my way up to 3rd place and tested the speed of my TA06 against the 2nd place driver on the long straight. He pulled away from me pretty hard. So in the end of the heat, I managed to stay in 3rd place. I geared up my pinion to 51 from a 48T to see what my car could do. The same thing happened in the second heat, but I was a little faster this time. Unfortunately, I was still off the pace. I was starting to think it was the rear transmission of the new TA06 slowing the car down since it’s a departure from the TA05 dual, equal length belt design. I ended up running my TA-05 IFSR in the mains to see if maybe it was my batteries or motor going slow. It turns out I was geared wrong the whole time. I had a 94T Spur thinking I had an 84T spur-gear in the car. A FDR (Final Drive Ratio) of 4.22 to 3.55 FDR is a big difference!!! Oops. You really have to laugh at these things. Something so simple makes such a difference. Well, good thing I own a permanent track. I will test the TA06 Pro with the new gear ratio and see what kind of speeds this car is capable of. That and my THunderpower 5300 65C batteries. I thought maybe the lighter weight would give me an advantage but i'm going for broke..MORE POWER!! Until then, see you at the track!
No offense, but I wouldn't be suprised that you couldn't stab the throttle with 30K in the rear! Most rear gear diffs run in the region 700-2K oil, so worth a try to tone it down..

On an aside, can someone count the teeth on the belts, both long and short? doing a bit of research...
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No offense, but I wouldn't be suprised that you couldn't stab the throttle with 30K in the rear! Most rear gear diffs run in the region 700-2K oil, so worth a try to tone it down..

On an aside, can someone count the teeth on the belts, both long and short? doing a bit of research...
Yeah..looking at Satoshi's set up, he used 9K in the rear. This is a first for me running gear diffs in the rear so it's all a learning curve. Hope you all can learn with me! I was also told that not filling the diff all the way up and only filling it half way works better. ANyway, thanx for the heads up.
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Yeah..looking at Satoshi's set up, he used 9K in the rear. This is a first for me running gear diffs in the rear so it's all a learning curve. Hope you all can learn with me! I was also told that not filling the diff all the way up and only filling it half way works better. ANyway, thanx for the heads up.
It's actually 900 on Satoshi's setup, which is the one included

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On an aside, can someone count the teeth on the belts, both long and short? doing a bit of research...
The front belt is the 54144 (TRF416 rear) 58T 174mm
The long belt is 51459 TA06 Drive Belt 151T 453mm
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[QUOTE= Also, am i correct that only batteries with leads can be used rather than banana plugs directly to the battery? I don't see any access to the topside of the battery when it's installed in the chassis.[/QUOTE]

Didn't see that this was answered, but if you look on the pic of MDawson's very nicely built TA06 you can see that he is using plug in LiPo's and that the battery compartment has cut away sections that allow access. Not sure how much clearence there is or if this will be an issue once the carbon chassis hits the shops though, but at least they can be used.

Re weight of the car...Are these coming in heavy? I would probably use a spool and diff combo, this would lose a fair chunk of weight wouldn't it - say 30 - 40g - or am i being optomistic there? Coupled with Ti screws and carbon composite wishbones, hubs etc and normal electrics will it be there or there abouts (1350g)?

Car looks very interesting and very tempting - just waiting for a few more race reports, would be especially interested in hearing if the rear gearbox achieves the Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip the designers hoped for...
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The rear drive-train on TA06 is more direct due to the idler/gear-set. I have no issues with drag on gears.

As far as the rear gear diff - I went with 100wt. Feels like a diff. The car creates a lot of traction. Similar to when the 417 was first introduced - I will have will have learn how to free up this car
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