U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing
#9946
Rob knows as well as anyone, though, that if people THINK it is something that makes them faster, they will buy it. Most R/C racers are similar, even if their driving doesn't even allow them to take advantage of technology minutia. The point of a spec class and spec motors is that you don't need to buy those extra things to be on the same level as everyone else in the class. If it's not allowed in the rules, it keeps racers from feeling that the need those items to compete. Tires, rotors, batteries, ESCs, bodies... whatever. It's better for everyone if they aren't allowed at all.
#9948
Tech Master
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In testing the larger rotors have gobs more torque but lower RPM effectively lowering the KV of that motor? look at gearing differences if the cars are the same speed. I did pull apart one motor that I suspected of having a tuning rotor and it was just under geared so it looked way faster in the infield. but it only took 10 min to inspect the motor. I wonder if there is something on the shaft that will be different so it can be identified from outside the can. as in the old 19T motors has a nub on the end of the shaft to signify that it was a proper wind
#9949
Tech Master
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And I believe that not only are the tuning rotors mentioned on the rules as being illegal, but if the issue was pushed, that a clause would be immediately added to not allow the ceramic bearings, as well.
This is a spec class—changing of spec motor components would be considered cheating and would likely bounce out of tech at any track that enforces the USVTA rules.
This is a spec class—changing of spec motor components would be considered cheating and would likely bounce out of tech at any track that enforces the USVTA rules.
I was simply stating that those options are not only there but are really "unfortunately" about impossible to tech for. With that said, I also know there have been many Novak rotors tested that were within graded specs that came in ordinary run of the mill Novaks so it's quite possible to have a rotor that test like a graded rotor but is not 'hand picked'.
As far as ceramic motor bearings go I have had them in other motors and don't really see them as an advantage over the standard bearings, then again my laps aren't consistent to the point where I would ever notice something that minor.
#9950
Company Representative
And I believe that not only are the tuning rotors mentioned on the rules as being illegal, but if the issue was pushed, that a clause would be immediately added to not allow the ceramic bearings, as well.
This is a spec class—changing of spec motor components would be considered cheating and would likely bounce out of tech at any track that enforces the USVTA rules.
This is a spec class—changing of spec motor components would be considered cheating and would likely bounce out of tech at any track that enforces the USVTA rules.
USVTA probably should outlaw ceramic bearings---we do not include either the bearings, or motors with the bearings, in our USVTA store. We mfg many items specific to certain groups of racers---such as the graded rotors and upcoming epoxied 17.5 stators. These are primarily for Oval racers dealing with the excessive timing/boost currents they are using.
Keep in mind, the addition of either ceramic bearings or graded rotors in 25.5 turn motors would probably be negligible---performance-wise.
#9953
Tech Master
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These two statements don't jive without any support.
Shame about outlawing the bearings....something that lends itself to greater longevity and lower maintenance (with negligible performance boost AS PER MANUFACTURER REP), which are core concepts of VTA.
Last edited by Buckaroo; 01-04-2011 at 01:55 PM.
#9954
Tech Master
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Why? Especially in light of this statement?:
These two statements don't jive without any support.
I understand what you're trying to do (cost control and perception shaping), but I think it's a solution in search of a problem. In any case, how would you ever tech for user replaced bearings? I mean, it's not like they're hard to get, hard to replace, or expensive. It is something that the average user wouldn't do on their own, probably, so it's really probably a non-issue.
Shame about outlawing the bearings....something that lends itself to greater longevity and lower maintenance (with negligible performance boost AS PER MANUFACTURER REP), which are core concepts of VTA.
These two statements don't jive without any support.
I understand what you're trying to do (cost control and perception shaping), but I think it's a solution in search of a problem. In any case, how would you ever tech for user replaced bearings? I mean, it's not like they're hard to get, hard to replace, or expensive. It is something that the average user wouldn't do on their own, probably, so it's really probably a non-issue.
Shame about outlawing the bearings....something that lends itself to greater longevity and lower maintenance (with negligible performance boost AS PER MANUFACTURER REP), which are core concepts of VTA.
#9956
Company Representative
Some things to keep in mind with regard to ceramic bearings:
...No real performance advantage in 25.5T motors/Spec (non-timing) escs
...Difficult to install and seat properly without the proper tool
...Impossible to detect visually
Ceramic Ball Bearing
Steel Ball Bearings
...No real performance advantage in 25.5T motors/Spec (non-timing) escs
...Difficult to install and seat properly without the proper tool
...Impossible to detect visually
Ceramic Ball Bearing
Steel Ball Bearings
#9958
Tech Champion
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You know what? Forget it. Do what you want with the bearings. I know it makes no difference, and if you want to waste your money that's fine with me. It's going to be more of a pain to have everyone complaining.
CERAMIC BEARINGS WILL NOT MAKE YOU FASTER.
You have been warned, don't get suckered in....
There's still no tuning rotors (13mm) allowed though
CERAMIC BEARINGS WILL NOT MAKE YOU FASTER.
You have been warned, don't get suckered in....
There's still no tuning rotors (13mm) allowed though
#9959
Tech Master
iTrader: (3)
You know what? Forget it. Do what you want with the bearings. I know it makes no difference, and if you want to waste your money that's fine with me. It's going to be more of a pain to have everyone complaining.
CERAMIC BEARINGS WILL NOT MAKE YOU FASTER.
You have been warned, don't get suckered in....
There's still no tuning rotors (13mm) allowed though
CERAMIC BEARINGS WILL NOT MAKE YOU FASTER.
You have been warned, don't get suckered in....
There's still no tuning rotors (13mm) allowed though
#9960
Tech Champion
iTrader: (2)
Some things to keep in mind with regard to ceramic bearings:
...No real performance advantage in 25.5T motors/Spec (non-timing) escs
...Difficult to install and seat properly without the proper tool
...Impossible to detect visually
Ceramic Ball Bearing
Steel Ball Bearings
...No real performance advantage in 25.5T motors/Spec (non-timing) escs
...Difficult to install and seat properly without the proper tool
...Impossible to detect visually
Ceramic Ball Bearing
Steel Ball Bearings