Originally Posted by RCknight
Are we talking about open speedos or are we talking about a spec mode? I just think LED lights showing it's in spec mode should be good enough. Personally I like to keep my class options open with one speedo. VTA is considered a starting class, so when someone wants to move on to a faster class they now need to buy a new speedo. Don't make sense to me is all.
That's part of the problem, there is no real "Standard" with the programable speedos, and part of what LRP called Tekin out on.
Intellectually, I like the idea of SPEC hardware. I also love the idea that probramable speedos CAN have a valid spec/zero timing mode and you can move up/over/whatever without an additional outlay of that all too rare thing called money!
Until, or unless, SPEC MODE can be easily validated, I understand why some classes allow ONLY non-programable hardware. It's not about being a modern Ludite, it's about limiting variables and avenues to cheat (intentional or unintentional). Just a matter of time before some tech weenie learns how to hack one of these programable speedos. Once that's out there on the web, the whole game of computer interface speedos is going to come crashing down. I don't care if Novak says it's never happened, that they KNOW of. LRP obviously figured out what Tekin was doing(wrong), and that's pretty darn close enough right there!
Face it. Every week, at every track, every time cash is paid to race, and ESPECIALLY if there are prizes.......SOMEONE is cheating, either intentionally or not, in big ways or not.
I also understand that there are bashers, hobby racers, sportsmen, and serious racers. Bashers will run whatever. Not part of this picture.
Hobby racers are going to see the lower initial investment of SPEC hardware and think it's a good deal, until they realize that they can't do ANYTHING else with most of it. From there, they have to decide are they going to be one car/one class or if they want to try their wheel on anything else and decide for some different hardware and forego SPEC altogether. They may come back to VTA once they mature into sportsman.
Sportsmen usually are just beginning to have one car per class, with lots of hardware options, and some experience in the racing scene and some skills. Either they came back to RC with the ease of SPEC and the lure of VTA, or expanded into it as another option(especially those of us with older, outdated chassis and equipment. Gave us a class without a lot of extra $$ out of pocket where the speeds are slower, racing is closer, and maintenance is easier).
Serious racers are generally matured sportsmen. They are usually the ones that ALWAYS have one car per class. They aren't tinkering with hardware as much as they're searching for that edge with the software. Unless they really adore the lure of VTA/RCGT slower type door to door type racing, they're generally NOT in this class. You'll find them in TC, WGT, 1/12....stock or mod. Since that's their game, swapping motors of the week, or ESCs of the week, or software of the week is really their game.
Not saying that there aren't serious racers in VTA, there are some damn fine ones (one trick ponies or not), just that at that level, it's understood that you play by the rules of the game season to season.
IT'S THE SINGER, NOT THE SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a dollars per smile issue. Truthfully, how many of you REALLY swap out motors and entire set ups to run different classes with the same chassis that having different modes in your ESC really matters? Stock TC to Mod TC I can see, but anything else........well, every time I see that, I see fail.
In the end, everyone votes with their wallet. Buy in or buy out.
Regardless of if you DO or DON'T like the national level rules, and it doesn't make your track/club money......RUN WHATEVER YOU WANT. 3 still makes a class at damn near every track in the country. Find 2 other buddies that think like you do, and burn up the track and prove everyone else wrong!!!!
You didn't PAY for this set of rules, did you?
Heck, at my local track, so many of us had old TC3s and TC4s and 27T motors that we added 27T motors in as legal and ran a local Muscle Car class all summer with either VTA tires or Jaco Blues (prefered on the carpet, as we're taking these cars BACK indoors for the winter), with plenty of turn out. Once we burn through all of our old motors, we'll convert to brushless. The mid step up with the same chassis has been RCGT and brushless. Damn fun, and the largest class by far at our Halloween trophy race that drew over 40 drivers from over 150 miles away, most racing 2 or more classes for the weekend.
To everyone in general: Do what's right for YOU and YOUR local club/track that keeps the lights on and the doors open. Remember, most tracks are owned and operated as FOR PROFIT businesses!!!!!!!!! But if the money doesn't come in the door and STAY, either you have to change or go somewhere else. Most of us don't have more than one option in town, so we play the game we have. But don't bitch to me when your equipment won't be legal at any other track or regional or higher level event when you want to play for a share of the prize money. But then again, if you're at that level, you're probably already set up with the right hardware and SPEC'd hardware won't affect you in the least!