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Old 12-10-2005, 10:26 AM   #13546
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OK,OK,OK TALKING ABOUT DOGBONE,TIR AND YES WE SHOULD LEARN TO SEARCH THREAD I UNDERSTAND THAT
HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW EXPERT PEOPLE!IF WE CAN USE THE TC4 AFTER MARKET DRIVE SHAFT AND IF WILL FIT TO PRO4 I'M NOT ASKING THE AXLE OR DOGBONE ,TIR.I'M ASKING THE WHOLE DRIVE SHAFT.
AND PLS. BEFORE YOU REPLY OR POST READ FIRST,THANK YOU...
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Old 12-10-2005, 05:48 PM   #13547
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*cough*...

I was actually asking how much MORE durable they were. Not IF...
Like i said.. TiR ain't exactly cheap.. so whether it's worth the investment or not. You tell me!

Aftermarket alu bones to suit the stock HPi cvd's are cheap and plentiful. Even if they break/bend etc.. is it still worth getting the TiR's?
(incidentally, i have a full set + spares on the way.. but just wanted a heads up.)

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Old 12-10-2005, 10:59 PM   #13548
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How durable are the composite ones? I would suspect after a crash they would spring back to their original shape (or just break in a really hard crash).
Manny? Is that you, Manny, the one I know?

Anyway, just get TC4 dogbones. they are so durable.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:02 PM   #13549
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composite cvd bones are the only way to roll in the rear. lightest of all and excellent durability. i've been running them for quite some time back there and they are almost as good as new.

tc4 dobones will work. axles will not as they are different diamater.
tc4 hd dogbones are the best solution, imo, for pro4 front dogbones for normal use. easily sourced, and last VERY well. only prob is they are blue

TiR from what i hear are the most durable. also they have 2 sets of holes in the bell part of the dogbone so you can use them even longer (tc4 have only 1 set of holes). furthermore TiR parts are very light, and you get titanium axles with modified thread to hold your nut on better. performance wise these are the best for the front. in the rear im not sure if composite bones + steel axles are lighter than TiR setup. only problem is that TiR cvd's use their own size joint so you have to use their replacements (rebuild kit and axles and bones).

also an advantage of running tc4 or composite dogbones is that IRS sells them with pincushions.

so its up to you, if you have the extra money to get TiR cvd's (and can deal with ordering TiR replacement parts) then buy them for sure. if money or sourcing is hard for you then go tc4 (front) or composite (rear).

finally running anything other than the bones mentioned above is basically asking for bendage (with the possible exception of square titanium bones, since i havent really heard anything about those). tc3 aluminum, tc3 steel, hpi aluminum, all will bend quickly in the front.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:02 PM   #13550
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Went 30 tonight floodo1.. The "force" was strong tonight..
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:22 PM   #13551
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And my new goal is to come up with some money for a KGB sniper.. L3 Just ain't getting it..
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:29 PM   #13552
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Dumb question I am about to put in the delrin pivot balls do I run them dry or do I lube them like the stock steel ones?
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Old 12-12-2005, 12:31 PM   #13553
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Dumb question I am about to put in the delrin pivot balls do I run them dry or do I lube them like the stock steel ones?
I run mine dry...in both my Pro4 and Cyclone.
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Old 12-12-2005, 04:39 PM   #13554
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yeah no need to lube the delrin pivot balls.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:59 PM   #13555
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TiR from what i hear are the most durable. also they have 2 sets of holes in the bell part of the dogbone so you can use them even longer (tc4 have only 1 set of holes). furthermore TiR parts are very light, and you get titanium axles with modified thread to hold your nut on better. performance wise these are the best for the front. in the rear im not sure if composite bones + steel axles are lighter than TiR setup. only problem is that TiR cvd's use their own size joint so you have to use their replacements (rebuild kit and axles and bones).
The TiR CVD's are decent and the CVD shaft itself is very durable and won't bend easily. However the axels are more brittle. You won't bend your CVD but you'll break axels, and at $11.99 each they add up quick. It would not be a major issue except that steel axels found in the stock CVD's and other CVD's are a larger diameter at the CVD side of the axel and can't interchange with the TiR axels. So if you break an axel and don't have a replacement you need to swap out the whole CVD assembly with something else until you get a TiR axel.

Now that I've worn out the CVD pin holes on all of my TiR bones I'm going to replace them with the beefy IRS TC3 ones and just strip the anodizing. They are more standardized for replacement parts.
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:11 AM   #13556
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The local fast guy at my track runs the TC4 composite bones and they have not busted on him.

I have a second car I am getting together for my son. I am ging to use the composite for him.
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:26 AM   #13557
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I think the composite dog bones will be one of my first "upgrades" on my new Hara Pro 4. I am running the spool and I suspect that the composite dog bones have just a bit more flex for twisting and would thus take some of the pressure off the rest of the front drive train. Plus if they are lighter and less likely to break / bend, its all good.

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the composite dogbones will break if used in the front. even from a light impact or collision. Racers have used them on the rears with no problems.
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:55 PM   #13559
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I think the composite dog bones will be one of my first "upgrades" on my new Hara Pro 4. I am running the spool and I suspect that the composite dog bones have just a bit more flex for twisting and would thus take some of the pressure off the rest of the front drive train. Plus if they are lighter and less likely to break / bend, its all good.
As long as you aren't prone to hitting stuff it should be okay, and under minor conditions I think they are softer so you don't transfer as much energy into the rest of the drivetrain. They can also be very good "training wheels" for people learning to drive a spool or a one way, because even aluminum and steel CVD parts can bend or break when you hit something hard enough. I've used composites in the front with a spool, and I got a month racing out of them before I broke one. But sometimes even a minor tap can break them.

Best thing about composites is they are very cheap.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:03 AM   #13560
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yeah i think on my 3rd run with composites and oneway i broke one.

i woudlnt advise to run composite in front ever, but maybe they would last for you
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