SMC Lipos 7.4 5000mah
#106
Tech Apprentice
"Newer, faster and more runtime" is a NiMH thing, and not where LiPo really shines. Sadly, that's probably where the racing crowd will take things, thus repeating history.
#107
Tech Fanatic
A couple points here that need clarified:
The decision to not release these with a hard case is not based on economics. The plastic case only adds pennies to the cost- not dollars. So quit trying to imply that we skimped on quality. Like I said, when everyone running these is putting you laps down you will change your bitter tune.
Second. It has only been a few years ago (my how soon we forget) that a certain large battery matcher said they "wouldn't be caught dead running" those cheap CHINESE GP cells "unless they were in a NASA protective suit". Funny at the time, huh? Pretty stupid now. So much for Sanyo and Panasonic.
Some of you all need to wake up. Creating a competitve balance in racing is fine for the spec classes, but when companies like SMC who are used to pushing the envelope get involved, we are not content to just come out with a product for the hell of it. We are out to have the fastest battery on the market. (Before anyone starts flaming, it goes without saying that the product will be safe and reliable). We have a reputation to protect just like our competitors. We aren't just "some company" that happens to be coming out with LIPo's. We deserve more respect than that.
The decision to not release these with a hard case is not based on economics. The plastic case only adds pennies to the cost- not dollars. So quit trying to imply that we skimped on quality. Like I said, when everyone running these is putting you laps down you will change your bitter tune.
Second. It has only been a few years ago (my how soon we forget) that a certain large battery matcher said they "wouldn't be caught dead running" those cheap CHINESE GP cells "unless they were in a NASA protective suit". Funny at the time, huh? Pretty stupid now. So much for Sanyo and Panasonic.
Some of you all need to wake up. Creating a competitve balance in racing is fine for the spec classes, but when companies like SMC who are used to pushing the envelope get involved, we are not content to just come out with a product for the hell of it. We are out to have the fastest battery on the market. (Before anyone starts flaming, it goes without saying that the product will be safe and reliable). We have a reputation to protect just like our competitors. We aren't just "some company" that happens to be coming out with LIPo's. We deserve more respect than that.
#109
Tech Champion
iTrader: (38)
Not everybody values those things the most, though. There are many other factors which matter. Safer, better cycle life, safe 2C charging, more convenient shapes/weights, etc. are what many people value.
"Newer, faster and more runtime" is a NiMH thing, and not where LiPo really shines. Sadly, that's probably where the racing crowd will take things, thus repeating history.
"Newer, faster and more runtime" is a NiMH thing, and not where LiPo really shines. Sadly, that's probably where the racing crowd will take things, thus repeating history.
#110
Tech Master
iTrader: (36)
A battery with a plastic case will always be better than the same battery without.
You should embrace the plastic case as it is this one thing that has made tracks take notice and allow LiPo in the first place. Push for caseless packs and watch LiPo get pushed two steps backward.
You should embrace the plastic case as it is this one thing that has made tracks take notice and allow LiPo in the first place. Push for caseless packs and watch LiPo get pushed two steps backward.
Aren't you the founder of peak, who competes with smc and sell a hard pack.
#111
Tech Master
iTrader: (19)
Definately two crowds of people. Those that enjoy racing people in a "spec" type class (everyone running Orion) and those that want to win at all cost so they push technology to be faster. I think many of the early adopters of lipo and brushless fall into that first category of people. I want to know I lost because I didnt drive as well. Not because my lipo is 20C vs 22C.
#112
Tech Initiate
wath is the cell on smc pack
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
#114
Tech Apprentice
And the weight thing, really? How much heavier is a case than a bunch of shrink with external wires/balancing connectors, if at all? Plus, you do know that LiPo is too light to begin with, right?
C'mon man, lets keep it sensible here.
#115
Tech Master
iTrader: (36)
wath is the cell on smc pack
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
#116
Tech Champion
iTrader: (38)
If 22C makes me laps faster what is the Orion 25C that Orion announced last week going to do?
Last edited by or8ital; 09-19-2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason: typos
#117
Tech Fanatic
Not everybody values those things the most, though. There are many other factors which matter. Safer, better cycle life, safe 2C charging, more convenient shapes/weights, etc. are what many people value.
"Newer, faster and more runtime" is a NiMH thing, and not where LiPo really shines. Sadly, that's probably where the racing crowd will take things, thus repeating history.
"Newer, faster and more runtime" is a NiMH thing, and not where LiPo really shines. Sadly, that's probably where the racing crowd will take things, thus repeating history.
#118
Tech Apprentice
It's no secret that wholesale Kokam cells are quite a bit more expensive than the Chinese variety, but nobody seems willing to admit this. They all think they're getting the greatest deal of the century because they got a LiPo for cheaper.
#119
Tech Fanatic
wath is the cell on smc pack
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
only oem made in china and cost 30$ + ship in 1000qty and he sell it at 150$
if the cell is vislero cell you have very bad lipo who inflate when you put it in 4wd car and lost 1000mah after 30 cycle
i torture yuntong cell for 10 cycle charge 2C 8.5V and discharge to 4V 60amp
and i exchange my vislero for it
#120
I bet if you think back real hard you remember the plastic cases on the nicd batteries. how can you same something that is heavier is better, you can't it has it's advantages and disadvantages. The weight is not something that I want in my car I will take my chances.
Aren't you the founder of peak, who competes with smc and sell a hard pack.
Aren't you the founder of peak, who competes with smc and sell a hard pack.
Anyway, If you are afraid of weight you are a little misinformed. If you were to use a Lipo (any) in Touring cars, you would find that you would have to add between at least 3 -4 ounces to make the minimum weight. And the weight should be added to the battery. Actually a case made of lead instead of plastic would be most desirable.
In off-road cars, weight distribution changes so much with LiPo that even though the cars meet the minimum weight, weight is added to retain the cars optimum balance and improve handling.
LiPo does have a tremendous advantage in that for a given capacity, it weights much less. But with today's car designs the advantage is non-existant. It is LiPo's other qualities that make it desirable.
BTW I have raced since 1982 and never used a NiCd/NiMH battery with a plastic case.