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Old 09-14-2007, 06:36 PM   #106
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The pictures are hard to go on, but I don't see how this requires the designation of TRF416. I mean, it looks like an updated TRF415, just like the difference between the TRF415MS and the TRF415MSX with the new bulkheads. I was hoping for something completely different.
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Yea, this was disappointing... I guess I am not going to get a trf416. There is definitely a lack of innovation...
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:46 PM   #108
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how is it "Brushless motor optimised" and "Control tyre optimised" ??
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The pictures are hard to go on, but I don't see how this requires the designation of TRF416. I mean, it looks like an updated TRF415, just like the difference between the TRF415MS and the TRF415MSX with the new bulkheads. I was hoping for something completely different.
YA ME TOO, ALSO WAS HOPIN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT MAYBE TAMIYA SACRIFICES INNOVATION IN FAVOR OF PERFORMANCE
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:44 PM   #110
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If that is the new 416... that is very disappointing. I would of just rebadged it as a 415 MSXX EU edition or something.
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Old 09-14-2007, 10:11 PM   #111
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If that is the new 416... that is very disappointing. I would of just rebadged it as a 415 MSXX EU edition or something.
It's hard to tell but the steering linkage looks further back or something!
Hard to tell from the picture but something is different!
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:01 PM   #112
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I guess I was hoping there would be more changes... Not going to stop me from getting one though.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:11 PM   #113
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YA ME TOO, ALSO WAS HOPIN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT MAYBE TAMIYA SACRIFICES INNOVATION IN FAVOR OF PERFORMANCE
Or may be the TRF415 is as innovative as it can be at the moment? Maybe the TRF416 looks so similar because Tamiya can't make it any better, at least until LiPo's become the norm?
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:27 PM   #114
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YA ME TOO, ALSO WAS HOPIN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT MAYBE TAMIYA SACRIFICES INNOVATION IN FAVOR OF PERFORMANCE
Really, what other layout setups can you do with an AWD touring car? Other than the weird setup Losi has for the JRS-X, the Cyclone, Mi3, TC5 and 415 pretty well look the same except for the colour of the aluminium anodising.
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Really, what other layout setups can you do with an AWD touring car? Other than the weird setup Losi has for the JRS-X, the Cyclone, Mi3, TC5 and 415 pretty well look the same except for the colour of the aluminium anodising.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:32 AM   #116
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WHY?

I't's an inefficient design from an electric point of view.
For gas it's the right idea not electric...
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:47 AM   #117
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im very dissapointed...................and have hard time believing that they would post pictures prior tó the october show.

also it does not look like a procuction model, why make a car without the 4/5 cell straps?

anyone been hacking the tamiyausa webpage??? ;-)

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Old 09-15-2007, 02:51 AM   #118
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im very dissapointed...................and have hard time believing that they would post pictures prior tó the october show.

also it doens not look like a procuction model, why make a car without the 4/5 cell straps?

anyone has been hacking the tamiyausa webpage???
Ha Ha, I was thinking the same thing!!

Wonder how many 415MSXX MRE they will sell now when theres a new car relased just some weeks later....
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Ha Ha, I was thinking the same thing!!

Wonder how many 415MSXX MRE they will sell now when theres a new car relased just some weeks later....

None?!?

Upside would be, that running one makes you one of a kind...
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I would say that the chassis may not be 100% production yet, though putting a couple of slots in for 5 cells is not a big job

Looking closely (as I said before) you can see that the car is quite a bit different, and reflects Tamiya's design philosphy of being "optimised" for brushless and handout tyres.

Optimised for brushless because it uses the bigger diff / layshaft pulleys to beef up the drivetrain.

Optimised for hand-out tyres because there is more flex built into the car as there are no steering posts connecting to the longer top deck, and the rear bulkheads are now split (cyclone style) and joined by thin carbon piece.

Not it's not revolutionary, but overall it's different enough from the original 415 to be called a new car
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