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Old 07-09-2010, 08:04 PM   #9241
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I always prefer raising the roll centres or using heavier oil to running stiff springs. My car always feels slow with anything harder than HPI silver on the front.
I run sky high roll centers and fairly stiff oil along with the stiff springs
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:28 PM   #9242
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I run sky high roll centers and fairly stiff oil along with the stiff springs
must be HIGH traction!

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Great! I'm glad I never "downgraded" to the X version.
Most people I know found the X strange at first, but now are quicker than they were with the WE. I found it a bit stuck at first but a few slight changes free it up enough to be quick but still planted
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Old 07-10-2010, 03:42 AM   #9243
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Most people I know found the X strange at first, but now are quicker than they were with the WE. I found it a bit stuck at first but a few slight changes free it up enough to be quick but still planted
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Old 07-11-2010, 08:34 AM   #9244
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:13 PM   #9245
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where is the best place in the US to get tamiya 416 parts?
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:52 PM   #9246
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where is the best place in the US to get tamiya 416 parts?
www.speedtechrc.com

www.Tamiyausa.com (but they are almost all retail prices)
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must be HIGH traction!


Most people I know found the X strange at first, but now are quicker than they were with the WE. I found it a bit stuck at first but a few slight changes free it up enough to be quick but still planted
How are you freeing it up ?
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:21 PM   #9248
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we need to get more tamiya parts in the US. must not be much of a market over here.
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must be HIGH traction!


Most people I know found the X strange at first, but now are quicker than they were with the WE. I found it a bit stuck at first but a few slight changes free it up enough to be quick but still planted
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where is the best place in the US to get tamiya 416 parts?
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How are you freeing it up ?
yeh how
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To free up the X I have been doing a few things...

The First thing is trying different bodies...I find that the LTC-R really helps the car finish. Although the LTC-R does reduce intital steering, but mid and exit it is great.

I also have tried less rear toe, which seems to help, but I usualy end up back at three deg.

I make sure my rear camber links are pretty flat. This tends to help the car rotate.

I know it seems odd, but I remove the rear sway bar. I find that on carpet the rear sway bar makes the car feel more planted. My buddy Syndr0me really does not agree on this one.

Take out the center brace above the steering rack, this makes a big difference.

The amount of traction compound you use in the front really affects the car's ability to rotate. Try playing with more or different doping methods.

It really comes down to weight transfer, the X requires that more weight gets transferred to the front. I feel the opposite with the worlds. The perfect car would honestly be a something between the two of them. I think the battery position would make a big difference and is something that I am going to be testing here soon.

Hopes this helps...
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:49 AM   #9253
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Take out the center brace above the steering rack, this makes a big difference.
Do you remove the brace completely, or do you just leave the screw out of the top deck? I would think this would actually create more grip rather than free the car up as it is allowing the chassis to flex more.

Everything else I agree with and run on my WE (almost flat camber links, etc.). I run the rear roll centers .5mm higher under the toe blocks than the kit specs.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:54 AM   #9254
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I was always under the impression that removing the brace allowed for more flex up front, yielding more steering. I pull the brace out entirely, not just the screw.

I'm gonna put the X bits back on my car today and try a few things to help it rotate better. I'll try Ling's suggestion of the high diff, and also some stuff Paul mentioned in his thread about using a lot less camber in the rear than the front. Might mess with ackermann a bit too.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:47 AM   #9255
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I was running the diff flipped in the rear on accident once, and I didn't notice much change. I know ackerman makes a big difference in the steering feeling, but it is not something I like to change a lot while I am at the track.
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