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Old 10-21-2009, 05:14 PM   #6901
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just curious of the weight of these trays?

how do they compare to other trays like the bitty design, not sure if you have used others or anyone else that are using the demon type.

The bitty design helps with the weight
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:28 PM   #6902
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I currently use the offset Bitty design tray, and the new tray and brace weighs about the same.

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just curious of the weight of these trays?

how do they compare to other trays like the bitty design, not sure if you have used others or anyone else that are using the demon type.

The bitty design helps with the weight
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:33 PM   #6903
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OK so I have a couple of questions for the Tamiya experts...

I have a 416WE running Jaco Blues on CRC carpet. Our grip is pretty high in the groove but outside the groove it is pretty loose. Since our carpet is pretty new we have not quite built up a full groove everywhere just yet. With that said I am having issues with the 416 feeling floaty on the track. Does not feel very connected and stuck like it should feel. What I am trying to figure out is what people have done to get the car to be more stuck. The car feels like it is not generating enough grip both front and rear.


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40wt in the rear with blues
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1F in the rear (1XA and 1F)
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3mm on the inside rear link
3mm on the inside front link
links long in the rear and short in the front
Medium sway in the front and small in the rear

My first thought would be to go softer all the way around, but I am just not sure this is the correct approach. any suggestions?
I was running on a really similar surface and was using Jilles' LRP TCM setup with Jaco Blues and a Mazdaspeed 6 body and it was dialed. Jack The Gripper sauce, I let it sit in on the full rear for about 20 mins, and 7/8 of the front for about 10 mins.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:57 PM   #6904
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Thanks Miccal
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:49 PM   #6905
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you guys know the weights are coming down to 1425g next year right?
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Old 10-21-2009, 09:08 PM   #6906
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you guys know the weights are coming down to 1425g next year right?

We have already switched to the new weight limit at my track. I like it, it keeps the tire wear down. Especially running 17.5 on asphalt.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:35 PM   #6907
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Yes, 1mm spacers under the blocks but keep the .5mm antidive in the front.
Yes 1.5mm camber from 2mm.
Try the suspension mount spacers with the same droop as you have now, you'll have to reset them with that change anyways, and then fine tune from there with the droop.
Does the car flip on the turn in of highspeed corner, like a snap roll? Is your steering cranked when it happens? Just trying to get a visual of what its doing.
i will try it

the car flips mid corner on the apex , it is catchable if i am quick enough and feel it happening normally i do but then it sends me wide , and i need to hold me line due to the corner decreasing to a hairpin , my steering is about half way when i flip
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:18 AM   #6908
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you guys know the weights are coming down to 1425g next year right?
Europe is coming down to (most likely) 1350g, perhaps 1425..... IFMAR 2010 rules say 1350g
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:56 AM   #6909
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I was skeptical about 1420g at IIC, but it ended up working out pretty well. It seems like we're being hasty with lowering the weights, though. Isn't there a better way we could have used it, like with tougher cars?
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Europe is coming down to (most likely) 1350g, perhaps 1425..... IFMAR 2010 rules say 1350g
i race at 1290g because rules are for suckers.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:44 AM   #6911
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Is there a firm date in December when the 416X will be released?
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:05 PM   #6912
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you guys know the weights are coming down to 1425g next year right?
1425... pah... I'm hoping it's 1350 over here in the uk
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:45 AM   #6913
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My local agent says the 416X will arrive late November. But that will depend on HQ how soon they will sent them out.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:26 AM   #6914
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Any idea on street pricing?
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:13 AM   #6915
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I recently found perhaps the best lipo tray ever made. Just arived today.
Demon products out of Taiwan, but its been difficult getting hold of them.
Mounts to the centreline of the chassis, with the tray sitting up off the lower deck to prevent tweak or change in chassis stiffness.
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Mounted up the little fella last night, it took a little bit of trimming as the mounts were close to the belt, and a liberal use of shims.

You can see the tray mounts to the centreline, and does not touch the chassis at all. Brace holds pack in, but is not pressing on the battery, car can flex without binding on the tray or the battery.
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Thanks to Bradd I received one of these Demon lipo trays. I actually have the original TRF416, but it still fits, the only thing you do different is screw the lipo tray into the center post for the motor mount from the top, so that there are two screws - one from the bottom through the chassis and one from the top through the lipo tray. I will post a picture this weekend.
So here are some pictures of the Demon lipo tray in my original TRF416. The tray mount that connects to the center post of the motor mount is on backwards and screws in from the top with a 2 mm shim. I had to remove some material from the tray mount under the aerial post to clear the belt. The tray holds my SMC lipo perfectly, and is perfectly balanced with no added weight.

So although the Demon lipo tray says it is for the TRF416WE only, it fits just fine in the original 416 with no serious modification.

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