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Old 09-12-2009, 01:55 PM   #6541
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I also got info that there will be a Japan version and an export version...
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Old 09-12-2009, 01:59 PM   #6542
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i think there will be some kind of lipo holder/weight in the new TRF416
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:09 PM   #6543
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Got this on d net.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:52 PM   #6544
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Not sure how many times we have to tell you but they're the wrong pics! Refer to Ed's previous comment - these are the so called "scoop" pics for the original 416. Check the first few pages of this thread if you are still not sure...
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:14 AM   #6545
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Oh sorry...I forgot to read ed's comment.My bad.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:45 AM   #6546
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hi guys i just got a 416 and i was wondering if anyone could tell me what upgrade parts i should get and what parts i should stock up on for spares.
also i saw they had i world edition and i was wondering if anyone made a conversion kit or if anyone had the part numbers to make the 416 in to a WE. thanks guys
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TRF416X have which different ?
use TA05 ver.2 suspension mount ?
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:44 AM   #6548
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hi guys i just got a 416 and i was wondering if anyone could tell me what upgrade parts i should get and what parts i should stock up on for spares.
also i saw they had i world edition and i was wondering if anyone made a conversion kit or if anyone had the part numbers to make the 416 in to a WE. thanks guys
The major diff between a 416WE v 416 are the followings:-

1) Lower Deck - battery position move forward (about 5mm)
2) Single piece upper deck
3) Redesigned motor brace (slightly tougher)
4) Front toe block c/w kit (1C + 1C)
5) Rear toe block c/w kit (1XA + 1F; 3.5 deg)

Sugg to get the following as fine tuning
1) 1D + 1E toe block (Rear)
2) Ti turnbuckle (Front Upper link)
3) WE wheel lock nuts

Sugg to get the following as spares
1) Arm + Knuckle + C-Hub + Belts + Spool Cups
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:21 PM   #6549
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Ok, so having been having a chin wag this evening with my HHUK teammates... here's the theory

New motormount bulkheads and side bulkheads, and just a new rear belt... points to the motor going forward. Think about it, if the bigger pulleys are also included, then if the layshaft goes forward, the current front belt could be retained, and just a new (longer) rear required....

So, possibly aiming to make a bit of an improvement to balance for LiPo, especially now IFMAR has gone LiPo. Also potentially better spur access.

Not sure on the lower bulkheads, maybe a refinment more than a compelty new mounting (thinking curvey bulkheads on the 415MS from the 415)... than again, could be completely wrong!!! Guess will find out in October

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Hmm, Having been chatting to a load of people at the track today, including a number of guys who've checked out the TRF team cars... and here's the new theory


New car will have the diff further aft, putting the drive shafts on the same angle as the wishbones, as since the first interation, the arms are being quite a bit further back. Should be around 2-3mm I understand, so that would account for the new rear belt, and lower rear bulkheads.
Now, I've been looking at this pic Viktor ETS 1 and if you compare the distance between the plastic bearing holder and the hole in the left rear bulkhead with that on a standard car (incidently which is in front of me), I'm sure theres more material there.... same looking at this one Viktor ETS 2, hole in bulkhead to Diff outdrive... it's not much, but there is noticeably more material...

Centre bulkhead, I suspect (and only realised this after re-reading some notes from Kio we got at the begining of the year), it'll be a new mount to move the motor 1mm closer to the centreline. Again this has apparently been run on the team cars for a while, so wouldn't be suprised for that to be on the car. Not sure why the need for a seperate rhd centre bulkhead though...

Anyway, have some more theorys on the other bits... gonna be fun speculating until the end of October

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That's a keen eye you have there Ed! I think you might be onto something...

Looking at that 1st photo, I noticed Viktor ran the diff in the high position. Anybody try this before? I suspect this is to improve rotation?
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That's a keen eye you have there Ed! I think you might be onto something...

Looking at that 1st photo, I noticed Viktor ran the diff in the high position. Anybody try this before? I suspect this is to improve rotation?
Yeah, it improves rotation. Helps out steering. I just ran it on my BD5. Worked pretty good. I think I only tried it once when I had a 416. But I don't remember the result. I think... it's been awhile.... but I think you can only do that in the rear of the 416 and not the front because of the spool sleeves. The spool sleeves would hit the bulkhead caps up front if you raised the spool to high position.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:28 PM   #6552
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Ended up 2nd overall in 17.5 rubber at IIC. The car was fantastic, but I blew a few too many lines, and never figured out how to make that hand out motor fast. Sounds like other guys were getting lots of help. I just sat in the corner and wrenched all weekend, and tried to get the car to turn.

The guy that got 3rd was running an EVO4 or something. When I get my stuff back, I'll make a setup sheet since a few guys were interested.

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Old 09-13-2009, 08:51 PM   #6553
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Well done mate!
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:32 PM   #6554
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yeah well done fella , great drive

i watched it all live on RClive

it would be great to see your set up

i think this will be the new layout for our new track
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:44 PM   #6555
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OK guys Im all done with my car and now Im stuck on a Lipo. I was looking at the SMC 5200 50C I wanted to see if anyone is running this lipo, and if so does it just fit right in?

thanks David
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