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Old 04-14-2009, 08:52 AM   #5116
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hey..

I decided not to get the 416..

i done some mods/blue printing to the phi... looking good... gonna try it out
next club race... the changes i made the last time made a big difference..

so we'll see....im still not convinced yet with the 416 on foams... we'll see how Quaqa goes with his in mod at the pre-nats.,. or maybe a tc5 ??


almost ordered that serpent...
The 416 is as good as any on foam or rubber.
It's all about your set-up man.
I watched a local regular flat out spank a team driver with foam on an 05ms.
All you need to do is figure out what you need to do to it.
Mostly 30wt and 28lb x-ray springs. Give or take....
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:30 AM   #5117
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The 416 is as good as any on foam or rubber.
It's all about your set-up man.
I watched a local regular flat out spank a team driver with foam on an 05ms.
All you need to do is figure out what you need to do to it.
Mostly 30wt and 28lb x-ray springs. Give or take....
well chief.....

NO disrespect ... if its all about setup then why arnt there any ta05s in the top 20 of the worlds ?

i know we shouldnt compare our "low stds" to those okes but...
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Old 04-14-2009, 09:43 AM   #5118
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I run 1 deg of front toe-out
With the amount of slop I see in these cars how can you be sure you have exactly 1 deg of toe?
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With the amount of slop I see in these cars how can you be sure you have exactly 1 deg of toe?
As the model accellerated the wheels pull forward . As the model decellerated the wheels slop back. I adjust mine so that the maximum allowed is 1 deg per side. even then I've only go about .25 deg of slop.
Maybe its time for new pivot balls and cups(adjuters) lol.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:47 AM   #5120
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well chief.....

NO disrespect ... if its all about setup then why arnt there any ta05s in the top 20 of the worlds ?

i know we shouldnt compare our "low stds" to those okes but...
All manufactures want you to believe you need the newest they have available.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:25 AM   #5121
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well chief.....

NO disrespect ... if its all about setup then why arnt there any ta05s in the top 20 of the worlds ?

i know we shouldnt compare our "low stds" to those okes but...
There werent any 05IFS cars there either but I know it's as good as any!
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There werent any 05IFS cars there either but I know it's as good as any!
The problem we have in ZA is that the Flex in the chassis introduce an element of inconsisentcy.... cause being our tracks arent the smoothest around.
So its difficult to setup a car to be consistant esp when u racing other okes.

EG. the cyclone tc and 416 is very simmilar in design baring the tc comes with slightly thicker decks.

having said that i had a look at sage's 416 and must say it aint too flexy...

but agreed there are lots of other factors in setup other than flex....

BUT all in all the 416 looks sharp!!!

I started raining a TA05 (upgraded with 3racing carbon decks).
i then went to Schumi mi3 i never beat my ta05 best lap with the mi3...
although the mi3 is $$$ more expensive.... so point understood....
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The problem we have in ZA is that the Flex in the chassis introduce an element of inconsisentcy.... cause being our tracks arent the smoothest around.
So its difficult to setup a car to be consistant esp when u racing other okes.

EG. the cyclone tc and 416 is very simmilar in design baring the tc comes with slightly thicker decks.

having said that i had a look at sage's 416 and must say it aint too flexy...

but agreed there are lots of other factors in setup other than flex....

BUT all in all the 416 looks sharp!!!

I started raining a TA05 (upgraded with 3racing carbon decks).
i then went to Schumi mi3 i never beat my ta05 best lap with the mi3...
although the mi3 is $$$ more expensive.... so point understood....

Yoh some bad spelling.... i mean i started racing with a TA05
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The problem we have in ZA is that the Flex in the chassis introduce an element of inconsisentcy.... cause being our tracks arent the smoothest around.
So its difficult to setup a car to be consistant esp when u racing other okes.
That doesn't sound right, just because the car is flexing doesnt mean it's inconsistent. The cars are designed to flex in very specific ways, this makes them more consistent not less consistent. If your track is bumpy and your car is stiff then it'll get knocked around by the bumps

Every track is different I guess, but if you cant make a 416 work then you're not doing it right
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That doesn't sound right, just because the car is flexing doesnt mean it's inconsistent. The cars are designed to flex in very specific ways, this makes them more consistent not less consistent. If your track is bumpy and your car is stiff then it'll get knocked around by the bumps

Every track is different I guess, but if you cant make a 416 work then you're not doing it right
Hey man ... im just making excuses...

but seriously... flex is no issue from 19T downwards...

but with mod on our sugar treated bumpy trackss.... too much flex
means slow times.. this has been proved withh all makes of cars and by
many different drivers etc etc...

i wish we could get some "smooth tracks" here...
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Hey man ... im just making excuses...

but seriously... flex is no issue from 19T downwards...

but with mod on our sugar treated bumpy trackss.... too much flex
means slow times.. this has been proved withh all makes of cars and by
many different drivers etc etc...

i wish we could get some "smooth tracks" here...

i fully support you, all the racers including the good ones look for less flex in the conditions that we run, the racing is very tight and so any advantage/more information helps a whole lot! some people have done very well here in ZA by understanding our unique and tricky conditions.
i think i am one of two drivers using a 416 here and so i use this thread to my advantage by asking and reading! hopefully i make a good impression with the beast at our next nats - i have made some flew solutions that 1rcracer helped me come up with - kuddos!
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Doesn't South Africa have its own thread somewhere?
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i fully support you, all the racers including the good ones look for less flex in the conditions that we run, the racing is very tight and so any advantage/more information helps a whole lot! some people have done very well here in ZA by understanding our unique and tricky conditions.
i think i am one of two drivers using a 416 here and so i use this thread to my advantage by asking and reading! hopefully i make a good impression with the beast at our next nats - i have made some flew solutions that 1rcracer helped me come up with - kuddos!
Hey, I am from SA (East London to be exact) were about are you guys?
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