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Old 01-16-2009, 07:43 AM   #4051
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I will be driving mine for the first time tonight. I will let you know . I hope its a bit more stable . as the batteries have been moved forward and the rear toe was increased to 3.5 degrees. the old 416 was great with a 10.5 in it ! 13.5 is the thing now. more sunday too after I run on the other track as well.
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Yes, The original 416 came with one-way

3454520 TRF416 one way housing
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Thanks for the info. As for chassis where can i get the 2.5mm lower deck with stick type batt holder on line? http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=84025
Is this a direct replacement for WE (same batt position towards the front)? Will replacing the 2.25mm original chassis to 2.5mm gain any handling performance?
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Thanks for the info. As for chassis where can i get the 2.5mm lower deck with stick type batt holder on line? http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=84025
Is this a direct replacement for WE (same batt position towards the front)? Will replacing the 2.25mm original chassis to 2.5mm gain any handling performance?
this stick pack lower deck was delay release !
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Hi,

I have compared both plates on the DHi Cup (416 and 416WE):

The 416 plate run wonderful. The car was very stable but fast. Managed a 15.35sec lap (in the 3rd qual rd).

The WE plate with the identical setup ran more like a "fat cow". It was not so aggressive to drive. My best lap here was a 15.60. The car was not willing to turn so good as with the old plate. But I think for the most racers the WE Plate will be the better one (because the 416 drives so safe like no other touring car on this world).
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Hi,

I have compared both plates on the DHi Cup (416 and 416WE):

The 416 plate run wonderful. The car was very stable but fast. Managed a 15.35sec lap (in the 3rd qual rd).

The WE plate with the identical setup ran more like a "fat cow". It was not so aggressive to drive. My best lap here was a 15.60. The car was not willing to turn so good as with the old plate. But I think for the most racers the WE Plate will be the better one (because the 416 drives so safe like no other touring car on this world).
Dai,
Have you tried the original 416 2.25mm plate back to back vs. the 2.5 mm 416 chassi plate? (on carpet/rubber)


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Old 01-17-2009, 07:41 AM   #4056
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well I've driven my 416 we for the first time Friday night and on my first run/quilifier i had put 24 sorexes on the car and I must have over heated the tires. There was a fine glaze over the entire tire. It was sliding all over the place. Once I realized what was going on I switched to some 28 sorex tires and what a difference . I had been worried that the spool would not turn well at all. I had thought . "Great , another tarmack setup that doesnt work on carpet." By the last qualifier I was on TQ pace that Dave Johnson had set in the second round. The car was very predictible and smooth. I had never driven a car with a spool in it before . Quite frankly I was surprised at how well it worked . One of these days I'm going to try the one way front differential and see if I can flow through the end of the corner a little faster.
All in all I'd have to say that the chassis is a grade above the older 416 and I an very happy with my new one. I am a little disapointed on the fact that I had to carve on the upper deck to plug in my Li-Po's. The positive lead needed some dremel work. Other than that .... Bellisima!

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Old 01-17-2009, 09:39 AM   #4057
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The 416 plate run wonderful. The car was very stable but fast. Managed a 15.35sec lap (in the 3rd qual rd).

The WE plate with the identical setup ran more like a "fat cow". It was not so aggressive to drive. My best lap here was a 15.60. The car was not willing to turn so good as with the old plate.
I ran the 416 WE in superstock at DHI and I was able to get a 15.07 laptime (as far as I know the fastest lap of the whole superstock), and the car was really stable and I had all the steering I wanted. I even had to change setup when the grip came out to calm down steering for not having to fear traction roll so much, but still it was really fast in the tight hairpins and it had a lot of steering without the rear coming out. I was able to turn in at the end of the backstraight even without lifting the throttle.
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John st. amant / Stilo any chance you guys can post your latest set-up for we
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:28 PM   #4059
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DHI-cup 2009 SuperStock setup

It worked really well at least in the large DHI track on good grip.

It´s really close to the standard setup that WE comes by the instruction manual. To get the car turn more, try to change the upper arm spacers to 4mm in front and 3mm rear. Also changing front wheel spacer to 0,5 gives a bit more steering. Adding more droop, to 26 and 25 when racing without fear of traction rolling could be a good idea.
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It worked really well at least in the large DHI track on good grip.

It´s really close to the standard setup that WE comes by the instruction manual. To get the car turn more, try to change the upper arm spacers to 4mm in front and 3mm rear. Also changing wheel spacer to 0,5 gives a bit more steering. Adding more droop, to 26 and 25 when racing without fear of traction rolling could be a good idea.
on your set-up you use c/c susp mounts but have you tried d/d if so how did it handle. thanks for the set-up
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I haven´t tested D-blocks with the WE, but what i´ve heard, the car is a bit more stable and doesn´t have as much steering than with the C-blocks.
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I'm thinking of swithcing to a 416 , my question is,, is it any good to carpet/foam racing? Mostly tamiya is good on running rubber, just my own opinion.
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I'm thinking of swithcing to a 416 , my question is,, is it any good to carpet/foam racing? Mostly tamiya is good on running rubber, just my own opinion.
Ive seen Dwight smoke 'em on foam with a 415msx.... no lies, he was fast !
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It's really not a foam car. Tamiya or the after market produce none of the parts you usually see on foam cars. Thick chassis/topdeck, 6 degree c-hubs, etc. I'm sure you could make it work, but its pedigree is unquestionably rubber tires.
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John st. amant / Stilo any chance you guys can post your latest set-up for we
I built my WE exactly as the instructions suggested. After assembly I checked the balance and tweak, dond a set of sorex 28's . It worked very well for me. There was one sharp turn I had to nail the brake to make quickly. But all in all I was on TQ pace and turned several consistant and quick times with it. I was amazed that what I thought was going to be a tarmac set up worked very well on carpet.


I want a Wii... or is that a WE !?
Stock looks like 1.5 deg camber front and rear
Droop 6 front 4 rear
40 wt (yellow soft) oil 3 hole front and rear
Springs Blue front , yellow rear
upper shock mount hole #2 front , #3 rear
lower shock mount hole #4 front and rear
Ride height 5mm
Roll centers f/i 4mm , f/o 0mm , r/i 3mm , r/o 3mm
all linkage inners in the inside hole
add 0.5mm rollcenter shim under suspension pivot bridges in rear
front toe out 1 deg per side
rear toe in 3.5 deg per side
spool front , direct center
ackerman spacer 5mm
80% dual rate full dope all 4 w/ superglued sidewalls
13.5 novak 105 spur/45 pinnion 4.79 final
track///bumpy high traction 75x40
fast lap 9.5

hows that ?
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