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Old 12-30-2008, 11:00 AM   #3811
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I was looking for a little input from Ed or anyone familar with this kit if people are using 2 or 3 hole pistons on outdoor asphalt.
3 hole, always. Never yet felt comfortable with the car using 2 holes. Maybe different if I were to try drilling out the pistons, but I'm lazy, and the 3 holes work fine

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Old 12-30-2008, 12:10 PM   #3812
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I was looking for a little input from Ed or anyone familar with this kit if people are using 2 or 3 hole pistons on outdoor asphalt.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:32 PM   #3813
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3 hole, always. Never yet felt comfortable with the car using 2 holes. Maybe different if I were to try drilling out the pistons, but I'm lazy, and the 3 holes work fine

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What feel of the car does the 3 hole piston give you that is better for you than the two? Also, would that be with a kit/similar oil?

I just got my WE up from my 416 and the setup is a bit different than what I had been running. A good day of testing will help me figure some things out though!
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What feel of the car does the 3 hole piston give you that is better for you than the two? Also, would that be with a kit/similar oil?

I just got my WE up from my 416 and the setup is a bit different than what I had been running. A good day of testing will help me figure some things out though!
Usual ranges of oil, from 30wt to 50wt. Generally I found a 40-50 good on the front, with 35-45 on the rear. I'm currently running 450wt all round indoors, and probably wouldn't change it too much for outside.

As for the feel, the 3 holes felt smoother and more consistent to drive, and coped much better with bumps. That's probably due to the reduced pack in the shock.

A good little guide on setting up the shocks is as follows (this is taken from Richard Taylors tuning tips for Losi off-roaders, but the same applies on-road)

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To increase pack, go from an orange piston to a red piston (smaller piston holes = more pack). If this makes the car feel too stiff in roll, you can at the same time lower the weight of the oil, by 5 to 10 weight, this will still make the car stiffer initially but still have a soft feel once moving.

To decrease pack - go from an orange piston to a blue piston (bigger piston holes = less pack). If this makes the car feel too soft in roll, you can at the same time increase the weight of the oil, by 5 to 10 weight, this will still make the car feel softer initially but will still have a stiffer feel once moving.
A car with less pack will cope with bumps better, but may roll more, so go to slightly heavier oils too counteract that.

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Old 12-30-2008, 04:06 PM   #3815
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Thanks for the help Ed!

I am going out to the old AV Tamiya track (well...I can dream since waking up is hard) and do a little testing so we'll see how it goes. from what I gather though, the changes in setup from my 416 to 416WE will be minor. I don't like the 3.5 rear toe angle, and running 13.5, it's way too extreme for me.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:32 AM   #3816
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just tested my WE and honestly i dont feel the difference from my 416 with the Jilles set up.
Do you have the 416 with the short arms, just upgrade the topplate , dampers and the motor mount and save your buck
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just tested my WE and honestly i dont feel the difference from my 416 with the Jilles set up.
Do you have the 416 with the short arms, just upgrade the topplate , dampers and the motor mount and save your buck
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The top deck isn't even really an upgrade, but a tuning option, right? All I really want is that and the new belts. The motor mount doesn't really seem like a big deal unless it's a lot lighter, since I'm not racing mod.

What's the story, exactly, on the new dampers? Do they hold more oil, or just smoother?
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hey dose any one know the spring rates of the Hara's match springs in lbs?
are they the same as the normal HPI spring lbs with the same color?
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guys, what is the different beetwen 416's dampers and 416 WE's dampers????
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Tamiya dampers havent changed since the 90s. Just different coatings, colors and different o rings.
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thx.

mmmhh..can i use WE's upper deck to my 416??
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mmmhh..can i use WE's upper deck to my 416??
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guys, what is the different beetwen 416's dampers and 416 WE's dampers????
Coating.....nothing else
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mmmhh..can i use WE's upper deck to my 416??
yes can next lot in mid of Jan back in stock !
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