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Old 12-07-2008, 02:36 PM   #3571
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Could you talk a little bit clear, i don't understand so much what are you meaning about, your english is not so right nor so understandable.
he confirmed your question on the silver cans, and says he knows someone who machines the part to allow for the use of a silver can. He is going to get you details.
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Old 12-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #3572
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My English teacher at school would be ashamed of me Really got to start reading what I type.

Silver Cans don't fit without modifying the standard motor mount, I think the end of the motor (pinion side) is too wide or long. The machinist who modified the original mounts at our club from what i've heard set up a jig to manufacture a complete mount.I'll try to get a sneaky photo of the prototype on Wednesday.


Thanks burbs for the clarification above you were on the money
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:08 PM   #3573
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My English teacher at school would be ashamed of me Really got to start reading what I type.

Silver Cans don't fit without modifying the standard motor mount, I think the end of the motor (pinion side) is too wide or long. The machinist who modified the original mounts at our club from what i've heard set up a jig to manufacture a complete mount.I'll try to get a sneaky photo of the prototype on Wednesday.


Thanks burbs for the clarification above you were on the money
silver cans have a raised circle around the bushing whereas brushless cans are flat. You need to open up the amature hole in the mount to allow it to poke through, same with T2 '008/009s.
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:46 PM   #3574
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Ok, it's taken a few days, but I'm about to tear my car down and try a completely different setup, so before I do I'll post the setup from Bending Cornerz that a few people have been asking for.

The track is a small tight outdoor asphalt track, medium grip.

FRONT
Upper Arm Position: 3
Upper Arm Spacer: 2mm
Damper Position: 2
Lower Arm Position: 1
Sus. Mount Spacer: F=.5mm R=1mm
Camber: 1.5*
Ride Height: 5.4mm
Rebound: 100%
Front Drive: Spool
Stabilizer: 1.5mm
Wheel Hex: 4mm
Wheel Spacer: .5mm
Piston: 3 Hole
Oil: 550
Spring: HPI Pink
Front Pulley: 36 Tooth

REAR
Upper Arm Position: 1
Upper Arm Spacer: 2mm
Upper Arm Spacer On Hub: 2mm
Damper Position: 5
Lower Arm Position: 2
Sus. Mount Spacer: F=0 R=0
Camber: 1*
Ride Height: 5.6mm
Rebound: 100%
Stabilizer: 1.4mm
Wheel Hex: 4mm
Wheel Spacer: .5mm
Piston: 3 Hole
Oil: 550
Spring: HPI Blue

GENERAL
Front Toe Angle: 0*
Front Sus. Mount F=C R=C
Rear Sus. Mount F=XA R=D
Upright Spacer: .5mm
Steering Spacer: 4mm
Rear Hub Spacer: .5mm
Center Pulley: Direct
Front Sus. Arm Spacer: 2.5mm
Rear Sus. Arm Spacer: 3mm
Lower Deck: 2.25mm
Body: Protoform Mazda 6 LW, 6mm Forward
Tire: Sorex 36R

I believe this is all off of the original Tamiya setup sheet, I downloaded it off of Ed's website.

Ed - Feel free to post this setup on your site if you'd like.
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Old 12-07-2008, 10:45 PM   #3575
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randy.

2 questions if you don't mind.
-do you typically build your shocks with 100% rebound?
-are you running or do you ever run the short arms?
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:21 PM   #3576
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wow, interesting set up, very different from my med grip tight asphalt set up. I wish I had a second 416 to try out all those changes on
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:50 PM   #3577
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I generally always build my shocks with 100% rebound, I like a car that transitions quickly, and it definitely helps.

This setup is using the short arms.
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:52 PM   #3578
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Craig, my setups don't work for everyone, generally they lack rear end grip and have a ton of initial steering. It took me years to get used to driving a car like this but if you can drive it smooth enough I feel like it can keep up with anyone.
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Craig, my setups don't work for everyone, generally they lack rear end grip and have a ton of initial steering. It took me years to get used to driving a car like this but if you can drive it smooth enough I feel like it can keep up with anyone.
You didn't say which body clips you were running.....
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yeah, and the brand of paint!!
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What other items would be recommended to purchase if buying a 416WC to allow a good ability to tune for different tracks. I'm not talking spares, just tuning.

I've noticed there are short arms, different pulleys and all that crap. I run stock and super stock quite competitively and like to be able to tune to different tracks. I've steered away from Tamiya because it seems a racer needs almost a whole different version for each track.

This car does appeal to me, but I'm just worried it will be an expensive change with not much results.

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Old 12-08-2008, 03:51 AM   #3582
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is there anyone that have good tips for the Tamiya TRF 416 spool?
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he confirmed your question on the silver cans, and says he knows someone who machines the part to allow for the use of a silver can. He is going to get you details.
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My English teacher at school would be ashamed of me Really got to start reading what I type.

Silver Cans don't fit without modifying the standard motor mount, I think the end of the motor (pinion side) is too wide or long. The machinist who modified the original mounts at our club from what i've heard set up a jig to manufacture a complete mount.I'll try to get a sneaky photo of the prototype on Wednesday.


Thanks burbs for the clarification above you were on the money
Ok, you guys machined it, interesting, thank for your clarification from my "misunderstandable" situation!
Anyway, why you guys put the 416 on the 540 race.
What i meaning is 416 is too much high-class running just 540, just because even we are 23T/4000kv race after the banning of 540 in our series, someguys are still running ta05 and 415msxx, then their result are not so worse then sometimes better than the higher performance and newer chassis, EX:Cyclone and 416.
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:34 AM   #3584
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i race in Australia at SMA and nobody runs a 416 in 540 class. I have a 415msx and there is a couple of them and cyclones and other like ta05, the only reason i dont have a 416 is because the motor doesnt fit and the 415msx does me well. the guy who wins most of the time runs an original 415. maybe nexy year ill get a 415we when i step up to stock
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Craig, my setups don't work for everyone, generally they lack rear end grip and have a ton of initial steering. It took me years to get used to driving a car like this but if you can drive it smooth enough I feel like it can keep up with anyone.
Thanks for posting your setup Randy. You've obviously done a lot of experimenting to get to this.

Craig, come down to the track tomorrow night with this setup and we can use it as reference! Is there practice tmr night - assuming the track is dry???
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