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Old 05-12-2008, 03:47 PM   #2146
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i have driven my first outdoor race with my 416 last weekend. I got less sterring in most of the turns speacially when i was coming out of them. I drove the stock mounts and my springs were white in the front and blue in the back. Do you guys have any tips for me ?
Well, first off, I'd go with softer springs all around, maybe blue fronts & yellow rears(that's what I used on mine at the Memphis TCS & also at the Jonesborough, AR track where the ROAR Asphalt Nats will be held). Also, I'd add some shims under the inner camber links up front(but just try a little at a time), & you might also play with the front shock mounting positions & if you're still using the stock sway bars, try taking the rear one off & go with a red front(it's the thinnest one). Not promising anything, but you might give those things a try & see if you like it....
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:45 AM   #2147
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Thanks Pokes,
i'll try it. BTW what oil and which mounts do you drive ?

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Old 05-13-2008, 05:05 AM   #2148
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I finally ran my 416 tonight and I am very impressed. Running d/c and xa/d with spool, short arms, 5mm steering spacers, .5mm under the rear blocks and everything else kit and the car was just great, tonnes of steering and plenty of grip. I'm going to go to xa/e because it was a little loose in the slow stuff and probably add a spacer under the front camber link to get a little more turn in but it's 90% there on the first run, leaves my t2 for dead

I'll post a full setup with cambers, rebound, droop, etc on Ed's site once I've had a bit more time to play
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i have driven my first outdoor race with my 416 last weekend. I got less sterring in most of the turns speacially when i was coming out of them. I drove the stock mounts and my springs were white in the front and blue in the back. Do you guys have any tips for me ?
Try adding spacers to the rear of the front suspension block to give it some anti-dive. This in turn will give you less castor, making the car respond better(at the expense of stability). I also moved the entire chassis "forward" 1mm by changing the suspension shaft spacers.
I also used the inner mounting hole on the steering knuckle for the ball stud. This makes the steering faster, and give it more ackerman. You will need to adjust the spacers on the steering rack if the turnbuckle hits the suspension mount.

These settings gave me a car that has lots of steering, good for very technical tracks. A bit unstable at high speeds, but negligible. Oh, this is at 23T.
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Old 05-13-2008, 04:26 PM   #2150
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Thanks Pokes,
i'll try it. BTW what oil and which mounts do you drive ?

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I played around with several but in the end I was using the mounts that came with the car(1XB & 1D, I believe, for 3 degrees rear toe), & if my memory serves, I have 40wt in the front shocks & 30wt in the rear(with 3-hole pistons). Oh, & btw, Pokes isn't my name, it's just part of my signature(it's a cheer at my Alma Mater, Oklahoma State University)....
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:05 PM   #2151
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OK so I just wanted to check I've got the short arms right now... The attachment is the rear left if viewed from above, the front of the car is the top. The shock is mounted in the hole on the red line, which is the 2nd hole in counting from the hub, correct?


I'm not too worried about breaking them but the square ones look shit hot
just received my short arms. i have the rear short arm picture posted by CraigM. not sure about the fron short arm. how should i put it, reverse or just as the picture in the instruction?
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Old 05-14-2008, 05:20 AM   #2152
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Grizzbob and redbones, thanks for your answers. I will try to set the car as you said and then we will look. I hope the steering gets a little better .

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Old 05-14-2008, 05:23 AM   #2153
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just received my short arms. i have the rear short arm picture posted by CraigM. not sure about the fron short arm. how should i put it, reverse or just as the picture in the instruction?
The holes in the front arms are the same either way I think, so it doesnt make a difference
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no, the holes for mounting the shocks are slightly offset, so as to give different mounting spots. kinda like the 2/3 holes on the reg LW arms, just left the one out.
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:21 PM   #2155
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no, the holes for mounting the shocks are slightly offset, so as to give different mounting spots. kinda like the 2/3 holes on the reg LW arms, just left the one out.
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=53928

I stand corrected. Better take a look and make sure both of mine are around the same way
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which is in front and which is at the back? A or B?
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Has anyone got one of these

http://rc-mushroom.com/product_info....oducts_id=7149

I thought the 416 turnbuckles were 4mm?
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So the short arm setup for carpet... is that pretty much the standard now? How about in extremely high traction? I had pretty good results with my car when it was nearly stock, but if I can squeeze out some more speed, that would be great. Some of the US races get pretty insane traction when you're running on the same track as the foam sedans.

Anybody bringing their 416 to IIC?
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Has anyone got one of these

http://rc-mushroom.com/product_info....oducts_id=7149

I thought the 416 turnbuckles were 4mm?

You thought right craig the 4mm one i have is anodized blue not black.
It does seem odd for mushroom to be advertising the wrong tool for the job?.:weird

http://demonpowerproducts.co.uk/prod...oducts_id=2881

After rereading my post originally on the 415 thread i realised that the part numbers are the same!
So that will work on your turnbuckles.When i bought mine i thought it wouldnt work but it fits like a glove!.
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which is in front and which is at the back? A or B?
Use the outer hole on the A side to start with on both ends of the arms. This is position 2 for the shocks. The B side has positions 1 and 3, the A has 2 and 4.

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