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Old 03-10-2008, 07:26 PM   #4321
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hey jason, we got to see the db10r in action at 360. man what a sweet ride bro! this class is gaining popularity fast. i was talking to some of my friends from jackson nj where we race touring in the summer on asphalt and we have alot of people interested in starting this class at jackson so dont be suprised when i have john at brownies order up a few kits very soon!!
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GreaseMonkey - two cars are the way to go. what is the carpet like at your local track? 70 entries is great! it sounds like your pretty hooked up. what set-up did you run on your car?

At 360 RC Speedway's "The Gaunlet" race yesterday I ran 1/12th Stock and 19T. I really feel that tires are the key to getting this car set-up. I was a Purple Front/Grey Rear guy but I think the car responds better to equal front/rear tire hardness combos or softer front than rear. I tried two different set-up directions yesterday (I ran the same Parma Speed 8 body on both cars):

#1 - Had tons of steering that I needed to put a 50% delay into my radio. Ran this setup in Stock but proved it works well in 13.5T during practice.

Front: Jaco Magenta ; Paragon on innner 1/2 ; .018 springs ; 4deg caster; -1deg camber; 10K silicone in lower pivot ball ; Angled servo

Rear: Jaco Magenta ; Paragon full ; Thin hockey sticks w/ tweak screws touching ; 40WT ; Wind Tunnel 15# "V" Hive VCS Spring; Long ball stud ; Wind Tunnel #3 Green Shur Lube

#2 - Had a power-on push, and was carying less corner speed than #1. Ran this setup in 19T - and performed my fastest lap/run of the weekend w/o my damper tubes connected (forgot to reattach after checking tweak).

Front: Jaco Lilac ; Paragon on innner 1/2 ; .018 springs ; 6deg caster; -1deg camber; 10K silicone in lower pivot ball ; flat servo ; medium ball studs

Rear: Jaco Grey ; Paragon full ; Thin hockey sticks w/ tweak screws touching ; 40WT ; Wind Tunnel 15# "V" Hive VCS Spring; Long ball stud; Wind Tunnel #4 Red Shur Lube
Good feedback buddy.

I have our new front springs in production now and they should be ready shortly. This will change alot with the setup as far as flex plate settings. They allow you to run a softer setup in the rear while still keeping the front on plane with the rear. This allows for increased cornerspeed due to less load on the tires and increased front roll. The rear is restricted from rolling as much from the increased front roll.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:26 PM   #4323
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hey jason, we got to see the db10r in action at 360. man what a sweet ride bro! this class is gaining popularity fast. i was talking to some of my friends from jackson nj where we race touring in the summer on asphalt and we have alot of people interested in starting this class at jackson so dont be suprised when i have john at brownies order up a few kits very soon!!
Thanks buddy. I really see 1/12th and 1/10th pan cars carrying on outdoors this season. People need to see how great they handle outdoors as well as indoors.

Im glad that bruce,frank and myself got some cars out for you guys to see. Seeing it in person helps to promote and also gain interest in the class. It is nice that we as manufacturers get to work very close with the public and keep you guys in the loop on what is to come.
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Old 03-10-2008, 08:52 PM   #4324
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GreaseMonkey - two cars are the way to go. what is the carpet like at your local track? 70 entries is great! it sounds like your pretty hooked up. what set-up did you run on your car?
The carpet at my track is good but fairly bumpy. Another racer tried a 7 turn in his 12th during practice and he basically jumped from bump to bump.

My set up is pretty close to kit. I've found it works pretty good and have no real reason to change it. I do run 10,000 weight oil in the damper tubes though.

For stock I ran JACO purple front (not prizms)/CRC grey rear during qualifying but switched to CRC pink rear for the main.
For 19 turn I ran Prizm lilac front/ prizm magenta rear for qualifying and for the main I kept the JACO purple fronts from stock but ran the prizm magenta rears.
Our track only allows Jack the gripper and I ran that half front/full rear. During practice on Friday I tried running the 19 turn set up on my stock car but was traction rolling at the end of the straight. We had just changed the track layout and vaccuumed so everyone else was complaining about how slippery the track was.
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WOW a 12th scale traction rolling. Why do you think it was doing that? Do you think the front springs were too soft?

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The carpet at my track is good but fairly bumpy. Another racer tried a 7 turn in his 12th during practice and he basically jumped from bump to bump.

My set up is pretty close to kit. I've found it works pretty good and have no real reason to change it. I do run 10,000 weight oil in the damper tubes though.

For stock I ran JACO purple front (not prizms)/CRC grey rear during qualifying but switched to CRC pink rear for the main.
For 19 turn I ran Prizm lilac front/ prizm magenta rear for qualifying and for the main I kept the JACO purple fronts from stock but ran the prizm magenta rears.
Our track only allows Jack the gripper and I ran that half front/full rear. During practice on Friday I tried running the 19 turn set up on my stock car but was traction rolling at the end of the straight. We had just changed the track layout and vaccuumed so everyone else was complaining about how slippery the track was.
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Most of the time traction rolls are cause from the rear of the car. Moving the weight of the cells forward will help avoid traction rolls.
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Running the tires a little smaller and going with a low rubber tire like a yellow helps also
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Jason-

I am very close to making the decision to get a DB12R. The concept of the car makes sence. I race at Fastlane with Billy Sydor and I have driven Butch Fecos DB12R.

I want one really bad.

I have been running LiPo sedan for the last year and none of my NiMh batteries were any good, I just threw them all out. Part of the pain is haveing to buy and deal with MiMh again. I will most likely place an order when the new front springs are available.

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What are the suggested tires for low to medium grip carpet?

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As Jason said, it's the rear that generally causes traction rolling. I put it down to running the magenta rear tyres along with the 10k weight in the dampers. I came to this conclusion because with the pink or grey rears the car was perfect while other racers were running magenta rears but their damper tubes had much softer oil in them. Bear in mind most of the other cars were CRC link cars and the same set up for one car doesn't work on the other.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going by what worked for me.
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What I found the best working combo on our rather low grip carpet was the Jaco pink rears and the GRP cyan fronts. The cyan fronts really smoothened my car out, but there's still a load of steering, it's a treat to drive!
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Hello There,


Some of the tracks I race at I run a Jaco prism Yellow rear and a purple front. You may want to run you tires a little larger on low bite tracks the reason why is the traction compound will stay in longer.

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hey mike i forbid you to put speed merchant parts on your bmi!!!! only irs parts are allowed!! hey had a great time racing with ya bro. cant believe i squeaked it in the a main must of been my bmi t-shirt when i wear the shirt i become one with my car my car was fast and smooth all day and i have never been happier with the car
i wish i would have ran 12th sunday insted of my Type R this sunday im running 12th for sure.
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cool joey.
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has anyone run the db12 with the old school front suspension? i have a ton of blocks and thinking of trying it
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