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Old 12-01-2007, 03:13 PM   #3121
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Also include info on how much tire traction you are applying to the front tires.

The more setup detail you give the better someone can dial you in.

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Old 12-01-2007, 03:19 PM   #3122
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Hey guys i am looking for some more steering from my car in 19t class. I am currently using kit setup with grey rear and purple fronts. I would like to try and tune the car without changing the tire compounds if possible because i have 5 sets of each Anyway what would you suggest. It feels like the front tires are scrubbing going through the corners and reducing corner speed because i have to knock up my overall steering. Ps it is using jack the gripper
more on-power steering try raising the shock (flatter)
or add more rear pod droop
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:01 PM   #3123
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Hey guys i am looking for some more steering from my car in 19t class. I am currently using kit setup with grey rear and purple fronts. I would like to try and tune the car without changing the tire compounds if possible because i have 5 sets of each Anyway what would you suggest. It feels like the front tires are scrubbing going through the corners and reducing corner speed because i have to knock up my overall steering. Ps it is using jack the gripper
Try saucing the entire front tire...don't be afraid...it works

Do the stuff Marcos said. Make sure you have thick flex plates and 7000-10000wt oil in the damper tubes. 35wt oil and a gold or red spring on the center shock.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:02 PM   #3124
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more on-power steering try raising the shock (flatter)
or add more rear pod droop
but i could be wrong maybe Adrian or Jason can answer better than me
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:10 PM   #3125
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Hey guys i am looking for some more steering from my car in 19t class. I am currently using kit setup with grey rear and purple fronts. I would like to try and tune the car without changing the tire compounds if possible because i have 5 sets of each Anyway what would you suggest. It feels like the front tires are scrubbing going through the corners and reducing corner speed because i have to knock up my overall steering. Ps it is using jack the gripper
Try bumping up your side dampening in your tubes. Purples are a little hard for 19 turn but they should be ok. Try 15,000 in the tubes with the red center shock spring and long pivot ball for the front shock mount.
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:15 PM   #3126
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Hi sorry about the vaugeness. Im running half inside fronton additive. I did try that adrian but it made the car grip roll on corner entry. I have batterys in centre position atm. I will try some of the things that have been said. Ill go with thicker damber lube first. I have in 5k atm Thanks
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5000 is too thin from what i learned last weekend with jack the gripper. My car was rolling way too deep and was almost jack knifing in the chicanes. 15,000 in the tubes,red center spring with 40 wt. oil and the long ballstud made the car unreal. I ran my batts in the middle,sauced 3/4 the inside up front and full rear. I let the traction soak for 30-40 minutes. I ran #3 sure lube on the kingpins also which i think is about 7000 wt. The tires i ran were purple fronts and yellow rears. I am still having nice dreams about how the car ran
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:25 PM   #3128
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Sounds good to me i will make those changes and get back to you after my racing tomorow. Thanks to all
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Old 12-01-2007, 04:28 PM   #3129
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Good luck tommorow.
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Jason you have email at the rr add
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cool,i will check when i get to the shop on monday bro
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Hey guys i am looking for some more steering from my car in 19t class. I am currently using kit setup with grey rear and purple fronts. I would like to try and tune the car without changing the tire compounds if possible because i have 5 sets of each Anyway what would you suggest. It feels like the front tires are scrubbing going through the corners and reducing corner speed because i have to knock up my overall steering. Ps it is using jack the gripper
This is my set-up for low/medium grip on Jack...

.020 springs / 1.5deg camber / 4deg castor / full-width additive / 5deg blocks / AE cf x-brace between castor blocks / 5000wt on kingpins / 3.5mm ride height

kit (thick) L plates (screws off chassis) / 5000wt in dampers (forward holes on pod) / gold spring / 35wt oil / full-width additive / 4mm ride height

38mm wheels on the front help too. In all honesty, you need magenta fronts for Jack, as when the grip comes up purples get too snatchy and inconsistent. HTH
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This is my set-up for low/medium grip on Jack...

.020 springs / 1.5deg camber / 4deg castor / full-width additive / 5deg blocks / AE cf x-brace between castor blocks / 5000wt on kingpins / 3.5mm ride height

kit (thick) L plates (screws off chassis) / 5000wt in dampers (forward holes on pod) / gold spring / 35wt oil / full-width additive / 4mm ride height

38mm wheels on the front help too. In all honesty, you need magenta fronts for Jack, as when the grip comes up purples get too snatchy and inconsistent. HTH
FYI, the 5deg reactive blocks and the brace between them reduce steering and front traction. 10deg reactive caster block would give you more turn in and removing the brace will give you more steering everywhere.
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Hi sorry about the vaugeness. Im running half inside fronton additive. I did try that adrian but it made the car grip roll on corner entry. I have batterys in centre position atm. I will try some of the things that have been said. Ill go with thicker damber lube first. I have in 5k atm Thanks
Try making your tires smaller. I start my front tires at 43.5mm (1.7") on carpet. That should stop your traction rolling. Prisims will last a dozen runs starting at that size.
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FYI, the 5deg reactive blocks and the brace between them reduce steering and front traction. 10deg reactive caster block would give you more turn in and removing the brace will give you more steering everywhere.
Thanks Adrian. Both those have been tried, and the clock consistently says that 5deg and the brace are faster. We have been running odourless additive in Europe for four years now, and winners run 5deg/brace in the majority - no matter what the chassis. It's an odd thing, because all the set-ups I see for Jack in the US use 10deg and brace dependent on car type!

I'm going to get some 2xpink to test with, because your set-ups use these more than the default grey/purple-or-magenta choice we use here.
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