ep4200 vs. intellect ib 4200wc
#33
Well im just sharing info that Erika from ProMatch told me.
#34
Tech Fanatic
LiPo lovers- ask any airplane guy if they get "400 cycles" out of a pack. Good in theory, but wrong. They have more experience than any of us. They will tell you that the packs degrade just like all other batteries. Better life than NiMh? Yes. Ten times better? No.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
#35
Tech Lord
iTrader: (32)
LiPo lovers- ask any airplane guy if they get "400 cycles" out of a pack. Good in theory, but wrong. They have more experience than any of us. They will tell you that the packs degrade just like all other batteries. Better life than NiMh? Yes. Ten times better? No.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
#36
Tech Elite
iTrader: (42)
well Jack
i am using my info from airplane guys quite a few etoc champions an they are getting 200 cycles out of a lipo not like im trying to argue but i been in the industry pretty long an have some good friends that are members of team JR an i will have to use that as my reason to disagree i know u are in the matching buisness so u got to promote your product but a lipo will make the rc racing better since there will be no more team packs
i am using my info from airplane guys quite a few etoc champions an they are getting 200 cycles out of a lipo not like im trying to argue but i been in the industry pretty long an have some good friends that are members of team JR an i will have to use that as my reason to disagree i know u are in the matching buisness so u got to promote your product but a lipo will make the rc racing better since there will be no more team packs
#37
well Jack
i am using my info from airplane guys quite a few etoc champions an they are getting 200 cycles out of a lipo not like im trying to argue but i been in the industry pretty long an have some good friends that are members of team JR an i will have to use that as my reason to disagree i know u are in the matching buisness so u got to promote your product but a lipo will make the rc racing better since there will be no more team packs
i am using my info from airplane guys quite a few etoc champions an they are getting 200 cycles out of a lipo not like im trying to argue but i been in the industry pretty long an have some good friends that are members of team JR an i will have to use that as my reason to disagree i know u are in the matching buisness so u got to promote your product but a lipo will make the rc racing better since there will be no more team packs
The classes will benefit from closer performance and there wont be as much a advantage that team drivers enjoy and those with big wallets.
#38
Tech Fanatic
Dennis- I really don't have an agenda. We will be selling LiPo's in a few weeks, so to me, it is all good. I just feel that many people who are pushing LiPo's are overestimating the capabilities of the technology. If you are racing a competitive national event can you realistically run the same pack all weekend without a drop in performance? Has anyone proven this? You know racers...they will try to extract as much performance as they can get from their equipment. I am NOT saying it isn't true! I am simply stating that until these packs are run at the top level, it is speculative to make such broad claims. I know for a fact that Danny has tested over and over various brands of R/C car LiPo packs at 35 amps and they DO decline in voltage and the IR goes up over time.
By the way, no one gets beaten by "team packs" anymore. This isn't the 90's. LOL.
By the way, no one gets beaten by "team packs" anymore. This isn't the 90's. LOL.
#39
Tech Fanatic
What happens when you show up at a race and the factory guys have a new speed control that is a tenth faster than your box stock one you just bought? Won't happen? It already has. And since you cannot tweak the motor with different brushes, springs, etc. you are screwed. The thing that makes this sport exciting is the ability to make changes and see the results. Whether it is chassis, motor, tire, body, etc, changes- that is the fun of it. If you start "dumbing down" our choices as racers, the sport will suffer. I think BL and LiPo are a FANTASTIC idea for entry level...but not the existing competitve racing environment.
#40
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (11)
LiPo lovers- ask any airplane guy if they get "400 cycles" out of a pack. Good in theory, but wrong. They have more experience than any of us. They will tell you that the packs degrade just like all other batteries. Better life than NiMh? Yes. Ten times better? No.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
Be careful what you wish for guys. Once LiPo's are integrated into racing, the technology will run rampant. Operational life will decrease, performance will increase, and in a few years we will be having these debates again.
http://www.slowflyer.ch/downloads/tn06003v2.pdf
And for the record I did not steer this thread towards lipo for once....
Last edited by kuzo; 07-19-2007 at 02:44 PM. Reason: Moron forgot the link
#41
Not so fast...There are a lot of different reasons why some people prefer to run BL and/or lipo. For me personally, it's all about being able to run multiple classes at the club level. BL + Lipo makes it so much easier, simpler, less expensive, etc... All you have to do is clean and sauce the tires, make sure everything is tight, and shoot the sh!t with the guys.
Couldn't agree with you more.
It's funny you mentioned that because I got back into racing last year after a 5 year hiatus solely because of BL. I guess I'm replacing one of those guys who likes to cut comms and maintain sub c batteries.
The thing that's exciting about BL + Lipo for me is that I don't have to deal with all that BS and I can still show up to the track and have just as much power on tap and knowledge in my head as the big dogs. Too bad that doesn't take a second off my lap times.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Just giving you a perspective from the other side of the fence.
Trust me, it won't equalize the playing field.
The best guys will still win, and the people who enjoy tinkering- with motors, etc. will leave the sport. It is already happening. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR- I'm telling you!
What happens when you show up at a race and the factory guys have a new speed control that is a tenth faster than your box stock one you just bought? Won't happen? It already has. And since you cannot tweak the motor with different brushes, springs, etc. you are screwed. The thing that makes this sport exciting is the ability to make changes and see the results. Whether it is chassis, motor, tire, body, etc, changes- that is the fun of it. If you start "dumbing down" our choices as racers, the sport will suffer.
I think BL and LiPo are a FANTASTIC idea for entry level...but not the existing competitve racing environment.
#42
Tech Adept
Here we go
Lipo guys screwing up another valid topic and debate.
Please take your back yard bashing comments to the Clodbuster monster truck thread!
I think I speek for many who are sick of hearing about Lipooooooooo!
Lipo guys screwing up another valid topic and debate.
Please take your back yard bashing comments to the Clodbuster monster truck thread!
I think I speek for many who are sick of hearing about Lipooooooooo!
#44
Tech Adept
Oh,
And by the way. Jack has forgotten more about RC RACING then most of you lipo clowns know put togather.
And by the way. Jack has forgotten more about RC RACING then most of you lipo clowns know put togather.