Should old people with Skills be Forced out of Racing ROAR Masters.
#151
Oh, I'm not comfortable in ROAR making any decision as to what is equivalent to what..... thats what class committee's are for and why we have experts on board to give advice. To think any one person on the ROAR excom is an expert in ALL things technical.. is silly.... ROAR must reach out and ask what you guys think..... racers and professional MFG's alike.
But, if somebody like Rick Hohwart tells ROAR that a 15t (pulling out of same hat.. still not set in stone) is equivalient to a 10.5 brushless, yep, I'll go that route. But.... I don't much like giving an advantage to one guy because he has to spend more time cutting coms and changing brushes.... choices.. choices.... LOL
I'm all open to try new things in racing... lets see what happens.. we can always change it the next year if necessary. People want to have access to the newest in technology so lets do what the people want.....
But, if somebody like Rick Hohwart tells ROAR that a 15t (pulling out of same hat.. still not set in stone) is equivalient to a 10.5 brushless, yep, I'll go that route. But.... I don't much like giving an advantage to one guy because he has to spend more time cutting coms and changing brushes.... choices.. choices.... LOL
I'm all open to try new things in racing... lets see what happens.. we can always change it the next year if necessary. People want to have access to the newest in technology so lets do what the people want.....
just like NASCAR for example....they have been making changes to the cars, tweeks to the Chase points system....trying to find whats best....
but Im not sure if combining BL and brushes cars in the same class at a Nats will help or hurt turnout....hmmmm
#152
Tech Lord
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...hey,
Instead of 'including' a MATSTERS class at a National Event...or a JUNIORS class... Why not instead create these as 2 NEW National Events with their own venue.
The ROAR Jr. Nationals - and ONLY offer classes to the limited Age Groups
and/or the ROAR Sr. Nationals (Of course the Sr. Nationals would need to be held in Florida or Arizona every year...cause that's where OLD people hang out) and the Jr. Nationals would need to be held someplace where KIDS actually like to hang out...
LOL
Instead of 'including' a MATSTERS class at a National Event...or a JUNIORS class... Why not instead create these as 2 NEW National Events with their own venue.
The ROAR Jr. Nationals - and ONLY offer classes to the limited Age Groups
and/or the ROAR Sr. Nationals (Of course the Sr. Nationals would need to be held in Florida or Arizona every year...cause that's where OLD people hang out) and the Jr. Nationals would need to be held someplace where KIDS actually like to hang out...
LOL
#153
Regional Moderator
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However, in my personal opinion just adding a Brushless Class or Classes is not the way to go. I feel brushed and brushless should run together. I know that some people feel quite the opposite, but thats why its called an opinion. I just feel that having to many classes dilutes races.
If I ever make a "A-Main" in a big show (not likely) I want to know I realy earned it by out-preforming more than just a few other racers.
#154
Bunch of good reason`s for using hand-out spec motor`s to be sure...
#155
Tech Elite
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Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
I always wonder how things would be different with BL if they were slightly slower than their brushed equivalent rather than slightly faster. How many people would opt for less maintenance and cost at the expense of speed.
Originally Posted by Rick Hohwart
I was just joking because the fact that you do not have to spend time working on your motors is cited as an advantage when using brushless.
Originally Posted by Oasis
Joe..Were Old not retired....So on that note My Vote would be to hold the races at Vegas..You know some place that us "Old Folks" would actually like to hang out at..I would bet it would be HUGE..
(SIDE NOTE: Almost EVERY OVAL Race is a "MASTERS RACE" - there ain't too many KIDS...at least out West...that run OVAL - We're ALL old farts..I'd bet the "AVERAGE" age of the West Coast OVAL racer is 38-39, and a BUNCH of them are a tad older...)
#156
Tech Elite
then... are you willing to fork over the $6-10K in costs to purchase the motors for a single event? And, that is being quite conservative. Last year, ROAR paid well over $30K for handout motors for three events - stock and 19T. We have one event's motors left in our inventory, maybe.. just a little under actually.
I feel as though ROAR states WHAT motor will be run at an event, you bring that motor, we mark it before during and after the event and tech it every single time you run it... we have saved a ton in money and so have you... your entry fee could decrease and.. well, honestly, the hobby shops actually get to make some money out of ROAR nationals where handouts have always been the primary product used.
Win, win situation to me..... but heck, what do I know...
I feel as though ROAR states WHAT motor will be run at an event, you bring that motor, we mark it before during and after the event and tech it every single time you run it... we have saved a ton in money and so have you... your entry fee could decrease and.. well, honestly, the hobby shops actually get to make some money out of ROAR nationals where handouts have always been the primary product used.
Win, win situation to me..... but heck, what do I know...
#157
Tech Elite
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Ok, I think I have it (and yes I have been able to run the masters class for over a decade)!
Masters class is Brushed 19 Turn (because we all know it don't need to learn new things)
Stock is Brushless - New racers with new technology!
Mod - What ever the factory can give me!
That should work, 3 classes and all motors covered........
Masters class is Brushed 19 Turn (because we all know it don't need to learn new things)
Stock is Brushless - New racers with new technology!
Mod - What ever the factory can give me!
That should work, 3 classes and all motors covered........
#158
Tech Elite
However, in my personal opinion just adding a Brushless Class or Classes is not the way to go. I feel brushed and brushless should run together. I know that some people feel quite the opposite, but thats why its called an opinion. I just feel that having to many classes dilutes races.
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Oh, I agree... we can't have a stock brushed and a stock brushless class... won't work... ROAR will not be the source of death of any class.. that has to be the racers choice.
Hence, the dilemma... what to do with stock brushless technology. Personally, I would say let them run together and we realize there are huge performance advantages and realize that we are promoting racing that is unfair at the stock level.
Or, delete stock from the nationals and encourage the club racing levels to promote the technology however its going to work for them in their area......
#159
Tech Elite
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then... are you willing to fork over the $6-10K in costs to purchase the motors for a single event? And, that is being quite conservative. Last year, ROAR paid well over $30K for handout motors for three events - stock and 19T. We have one event's motors left in our inventory, maybe.. just a little under actually.
I feel as though ROAR states WHAT motor will be run at an event, you bring that motor, we mark it before during and after the event and tech it every single time you run it... we have saved a ton in money and so have you... your entry fee could decrease and.. well, honestly, the hobby shops actually get to make some money out of ROAR nationals where handouts have always been the primary product used.
Win, win situation to me..... but heck, what do I know...
I feel as though ROAR states WHAT motor will be run at an event, you bring that motor, we mark it before during and after the event and tech it every single time you run it... we have saved a ton in money and so have you... your entry fee could decrease and.. well, honestly, the hobby shops actually get to make some money out of ROAR nationals where handouts have always been the primary product used.
Win, win situation to me..... but heck, what do I know...
#160
Tech Elite
but I understand the on road guys will really freak over that one..
#161
Tech Elite
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The other would be to have a race of regional champions, and with 2.4ghz technology, having 12 racers (hope I'm right on this) would be a great way to promote at the local and regional level.
Just my 2 cents.
#162
Tech Elite
You know while we are talking about racing, I have always felt that you should have to qualify at regional races to get invited to the nationals. I know not all the racers will travel, but they should get the first shot.
The other would be to have a race of regional champions, and with 2.4ghz technology, having 12 racers (hope I'm right on this) would be a great way to promote at the local and regional level.
Just my 2 cents.
The other would be to have a race of regional champions, and with 2.4ghz technology, having 12 racers (hope I'm right on this) would be a great way to promote at the local and regional level.
Just my 2 cents.
Its a great idea and I'm all for it... with the exception that I also believe the mission of ROAR is to ensure consistent and competitive racing no matter where a member goes and at what level. Meaning, if your a current ROAR member, you have the right to race any ROAR race you can attend....
I'm full of dilemma's today...
#163
Tech Master
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Hi Dawn, congrats on the new title. Have not talked to you in awhile and I was very pleased to hear that you took over as "El Presidente". Here in the Fl. State series fseara (ON ROAD) we run a controlled rubber tire. You can purchase them from the series or bring your own (new in bag) and they will be teched. We also allow the use of tires that have been teched at any of our earlier races. Used tires must have series sticker and tech official's signature on them. They get reteched with new stickers and help cut down the expense of having to run new. Come on down to visit sometime.
Tony Munno
Tony Munno
#164
Tech Elite
Hi Dawn, congrats on the new title. Have not talked to you in awhile and I was very pleased to hear that you took over as "El Presidente". Here in the Fl. State series fseara (ON ROAD) we run a controlled rubber tire. You can purchase them from the series or bring your own (new in bag) and they will be teched. We also allow the use of tires that have been teched at any of our earlier races. Used tires must have series sticker and tech official's signature on them. They get reteched with new stickers and help cut down the expense of having to run new. Come on down to visit sometime.
Tony Munno
Tony Munno
That is exactly what I was hoping to do with tires and ROAR nationals... lets get into cutting expenses to not only ROAR and more importantly, the racer and gaining income for the host track. Isn't that why they hold races and we attend them anyway?
#165