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Old 05-18-2007, 03:54 AM   #16
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yeah i remember the Predator well .When they hit the tracks in the 90's they rocked the boat in a big way.Was more like total domination here in SA.
Was a awesome car in 27t stock and mod.
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I was a loyal fan of the predator, I also had the XT, 95 pro off road, then a national but I upgraded it quite a bit. They were pretty fragile, even after the webbed wishbones came out, but they were very responsive, some would even say that they were twitchy if you pushed them hard. Impressive when we are talking about the days of 2000 nicad cells.

Richard Weatherley came up with a good platform for a car.

I would love to see a TC with fully inboard suspension I think T/C could utilise them well.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:33 AM   #18
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I was wondering where this talk was. I mean the thread was already 11 post old! I was starting to think this thread wasn't gonna receive the car thread initiation of "you know so-and-so did this first". Cause you can't have a car thread on rctech without its initiation.

Yeah, most of us here do know that the Tenth Tech car had inboard suspension. But its not the suspension that has people interested. Its the bodies that you'll be able to run WITH the suspension that has people excited.

Because last time I checked, the Tenth Tech didn't come with a $45-$50 body that was a darned near perfect rendering of the the full scale car. This car is just a way for those of us who are a little sick of cloned bodies with different headlight decals, to run something different and more realistic. And maybe bring a little fun back to TC class.

And of course a TCS race with a full field of cars with lower bodies would be amazing.

So no body here is forgetting Tenth Tech, and I don't recall anyone here saying Tamiya did this first. Heck this isn't even THEIR first car with inboard suspension. The TA05 is a popular car, and this just gives the fans of the car new body options and adds a few new owners to the TA05 camp.

So now that the thread has been initiated with the 'who did it first'...or....'its a copy'...or....'yada yada' comments, now this thread is official and rctech certified. Now hopfully we wont have to hear about the Tenth Tech car again. It was a great car that, unfortunately, never got enough use here in the states, but its not what Tamiya was shooting for here.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:44 AM   #19
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Hell, Im not slating the Tamiya, I wouldnt race the '05 if I didnt think it was worthy of being raced, I think its great they got the inboard thing going again.

But theres a flip side to the conversation (as there always is with any topic) that if you're going to do something, go the full hog and make it fully inboard or not at all. Space limitation, as said though, probably prevents this from happening, but the *other car* managed to do it ok.

Just for info (and not to pick bones) The lower spec Streetwise touring car came with a very rugged bodyshell, I used mine on a tc3 for 2 seasons and its still looking pretty strong now.

Lets keep the topic on a level note
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...So now that the thread has been initiated with the 'who did it first'...or....'its a copy'...or....'yada yada' comments, now this thread is official and rctech certified. Now hopfully we wont have to hear about the Tenth Tech car again. It was a great car that, unfortunately, never got enough use here in the states, but its not what Tamiya was shooting for here.
ROFLMFAO!!! Thank you...

We do a points series with non-standard bodies and this would open up a whole new category of cars. And yes, the TCS series is awesome because of Tamiya's realistic non-standard bodies. But it is getting a little old trying to slam an NSX body onto the 415's front shock tower. The only concern I have would be the IFS's chassis-side shock mounts. Are these molded into the chassis? If so, when they get ripped out are you now buying a new chassis instead of a shock tower?

Also, any F201 vets out there will remember the time spent getting those rockers to turn just right. But at least now we'd have droop screws and real arms...

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Old 05-18-2007, 07:05 AM   #21
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To my eyes the shocks are mounted on the existing chassis brace holes.

There may be some additional bracing beneath, hard to tell how much/if any.

If the shocks are mounted directly to the chassis that will be a damage point and if the front chassis bracing is reduced this car will have a lot of flex too.
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ROFLMFAO!!! Thank you...

We do a points series with non-standard bodies and this would open up a whole new category of cars. And yes, the TCS series is awesome because of Tamiya's realistic non-standard bodies. But it is getting a little old trying to slam an NSX body onto the 415's front shock tower. The only concern I have would be the IFS's chassis-side shock mounts. Are these molded into the chassis? If so, when they get ripped out are you now buying a new chassis instead of a shock tower?

Also, any F201 vets out there will remember the time spent getting those rockers to turn just right. But at least now we'd have droop screws and real arms...

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Yo man!!! From the pics it looks like the mounts are made into a new from K member brace. No worries!!! I bet it will be sweet! TCS'08 Baby!!!!

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Yo man!!! From the pics it looks like the mounts are made into a new from K member brace. No worries!!! I bet it will be sweet! TCS'08 Baby!!!!

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What's happenin Pook! Is BTH '07 dead? I was thinking about heading that way if it would be worth it.

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I hope you're right about the IFS because that bottom shock mount looks like it's molded into the chassis in this pic...

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If the chassis is a problem with its front shock mountings (and I doubt it is, unless you strip the thread for the screw that holds on the suspension ) then the chassis could always be milled out and a third party could always machine an alloy/other metal part for the suspension to link onto the chassis.
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If the chassis is a problem with its front shock mountings (and I doubt it is, unless you strip the thread for the screw that holds on the suspension ) then the chassis could always be milled out and a third party could always machine an alloy/other metal part for the suspension to link onto the chassis.
Anyone that had an F201 remembers the rocker mounting or the top shock mount breaking in a bad accident. That meant half the car had to be disassembled and a whole new diff case had to be installed. If this is similar, then when the top (bottom in the pic, but it IS the top of the shock) shock mount breaks, you could be looking at replacing the whole chassis. That's a lot of time and money on the end of the car that receives the most hits. That looks like an ear for the mounting hole. There would be no milling that out if it cracked or broke off...

I hope Pook is right and it's just a K member. It would still mean disassembling the whole front end.


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I really like to look of the IFS, and the new body set, but as far as using this car for any serious racing, I have my doubts. The standard configuration on most rc cars, has the shock in direct connection with the lower arm, with ample angle positioning options for needed track grip adjustments. The IFS setup seems to far removed, too many connections, too much room for added slack in the suspension and lack of adjustability when compared to the standard shock setup of today. If a class race of just IFS cars with these low from end body styles comes around, I think it could be alot of fun, but having these cars compete against a standard TA05, or msx type of car, I doubt it could keep up - JMHO.
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looks like it really needs stiff springs. Is this meant for carpet?
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Great car, even better body! Stratus clone bodies need not apply!
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Oh, and you can definitely see from that last pic that there are some kind of extensions mounted to the chassis for the front shocks. That means if theres breakage, it'll likely mean a new parts tree and a few minutes to replace, not a new chassis.
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