Terry_S

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Well it can't be.. C O N S P I R A C Y



Only joking!!!

Ed237

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Bxpitbull, Betting the house is something thats easier to say than do! If you're wrong and somebody gets seriously hurt by a Lipo cell at a ROAR event they could lose everything in 1 single lawsuit.

Don't forget, this is the country where a woman spilled hot coffee on her leg and won a 3 million dollar verdict against McDonalds.

This is something that is going to have to start in Europe or Japan and then carry over to the States. Sadly, it's far to litigious here for anybody to be taking chances with safety.

Leodis

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Thanks for setting the record straight Mr. Black. I look forward to buying Orion's new lipos when they come out even if they never get approved by ROAR.

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I would put my safety on a Kokam SLPB lipo any day of the week against any NiMH cell. I have seen the worst that can happen with both and the explosion high speed shrapnel spray of toxins and fire of a NiMH is far more destuctive then the puffing and sandwich bag popping of air that the Kokams will produced if abused to destruction.

When a customer says their Lipo blew up they mean it puffed when NiMh customer says the same they mean explosion as in with with fire and a debris field.

syndr0me

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I'm so scared of LiPo! Hold me.

Ed237

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After going back and forth about this - what exactly is the problem? A lot of tracks allow lipos. Why do you need ROAR to hold your hands and guide you through it all?

I happen to use both. My local track allows lipos and the the one 2 hours away does not. So I need Lipos and NiMh. Having both is still cheaper than what I have invested in my 1/8 Buggy.

I kind of feel sorry for the guys who cant buy a new pack each month or so to stay competitive. Maybe RC isnt for them.

Turbo Joe

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Stupid lady...

After McDonalds had agreed numerous times (in writing, from previous lawsuits) to reduce the temp of their coffee to 140 from 190 (lasts longer at 190, saves money), a 79 year-old woman sustains 3rd degree burns. It was reduced on appeal.

If you're going to use red herrings...at least get your facts straight.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b77256026e6.htm

Leodis

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Maybe NIMH isn't for them.

POUNDITRACING

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I'm down with people using LiPo's. You should be able to run them in a mod, outlaw 19t (everything goes),or outlaw stock classes.
I don't have any lipos because I can't use them at any of the big races that I go to. I race 3 times a week. There aer a couple of people that have them and when we run stock it is very discouraging to get killed when they race. I have a power sponsor and have great equpitment but it is still not fair.

gezer2u

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The reason that ROAR needs to approve them is because a lot of tracks are ROAR affiliated is because of the insurance. If ROAR won't insure a racer that gets hurt by a lipo or a racer who's lipo hurt another person, then the track won't allow them.
So, that's why we, ROAR members, need to make our voices heard.
Contact ROAR HERE .

Oh, for all you guy that think NiMh are safe, look at post # 18.
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=184590

gotpez

Edit... Too quick on the draw. Thought this was another post about ROAR not being necessary. I think I'm actually agreeing with you!



And every single one of these races uses the ROAR rules as their base, so this argument is pointless...

Sorry guys, I've been to most of these big races and I've seen the rules they follow. They don't detail the rules to the level of ROAR, but they tech to the ROAR rules. The rules these races have are only an addendum to ROAR. Where in Cleveland's Indoor Champs booklet do they list the minimum and maximum wheelbase? Cell count? Motors? It isn't there. The assumption is that ROAR rules are the base and they make minor modifications to suit their preference.

Without ROAR, what rules would we have?

Joel Lagace

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Good Point defining "BLEW UP" or "CATCH ON FIRE" would be nice so people could use it at the right time LOL

I work in the HVAC trade and if i had a dollar for everytime i attended a service call where a furnace "BLEW UP" that simply did not i would be a rich man. Same goes for water heaters blowing up... i have yet to see one blow... ITs over reaction to the unknow or equipment they dont understand in most cases. Burnt out motor is just that not a fire!

Anyway with that said safety is very important these battereis both nihm and lipo are in our hands on our tables close to our faces alot of the time and in our cars... Handled by 5year olds up to 80 year old racers.. So if there is fear or risk both manufacturers and users need to use due diligence.

ChrisP

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Were the packs submitted for the existing rules, or was an attempt made to work with ROAR to establish a definition of what would constitute an acceptable LiPo pack?

bill941

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Yes cleveland and other races follow roar.it's in the cleveland hand book also.I help make up the handbooks every year and believe me all that info is there but in a smaller form.The roar rules are too long to retype they are just understood.You want bigger races to make them legal?then roar will have to make them legal start emailing them like crazy.I don't know if it will help or not but I guess it's worth a shot.I run 1/12 scale these days and don't reallly care if lipo is legal or not and in the end it will be the same story different day.The will be match at cost to you and you will be buying by the numbers as I call it.Enjoy what you have got now because once they are legal we will be pissed about them later saying the exact same thing about them as we do other batteries.Don't believe me I have been doing this for the better part of 20 years plus it's always the same.

hobbipro

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My problem is that my only local offroad electric R/C track follows ROAR approved motors, batteries without having anything to do with ROAR. We dont even have to be members to race there, no insurance or anything. Its club level, nothing fancy.
I understand some tracks are allowing lipo's to run, because they are educated. But others are still in the dark, and dont even want to educate themselves simply because if ROAR says its not approved, it must be bad. Every other track around me is nitro, so I was forced to open my wallet to by NiMh's, and will probably have to again before the summer is over just to keep up. Ya, some will say no way, but put it this way after about 20 cycles NiMh's are no longer matched. I can practice 2-3 runs, then the heats, and race in the main. I probably easily put 40-50 cycles on these batts before I do replace them, trying so squeeze every bit of life out. My lipo's on the other hand can go 300 cycles without a drop in performance, these puppies can last me probably 2yrs before needing to be replaced......Talk about savings.