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Old 04-18-2007, 11:09 PM   #16
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toe out makes the car more unstable but does increase turn in. I avoid it if possible.

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Old 04-19-2007, 12:54 AM   #17
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Toe out makes the car tramline on bumps, kinda twitchy in straight lines, but it does allow a more agressive entry into a corner. To be honest it may be better using akerman change to achieve corner entry steering and keep wheels almost parallel
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Originally Posted by CAlbrecht
What?....Tow out in the front is your freind ALWAYS...Tow out allows you to come on the straight and let go of the wheel and your car will go down the straght on its own..Trun is better and at exit is smoother and more consistant..

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Old 04-19-2007, 06:58 AM   #19
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when you are in a turn, the outside wheels are running in a larger radius circle than your inside wheels, by toeing it out(a small amount)your inside tire will effectivly be turned more than the outside tire, making both follow the actual radius they going thru better, ackerman does the same thing but its harder to work with as most cars dont have any way to change it, how much caster you run also affects how much cross weight change you get when turning, so ackerman or toe out will also make a difference there, so always consider that the changes you make to any corner of the car will probably be changing things at the other end too, so if your car turns in better or washes out in the middle or on exit with toe out, a caster change might help. Caster also controls the amount of camber while the wheels are turned.
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Run toe-in and wear a ridge down the inside edge of your tires. How can that be a good thing. Some toe-out makes the car a bit twitchy but gives you good initial turn-in when you get to the corners. Try 0 degrees of toe then add toe-out as your driving progresses. Ackerman is something that changes with adjusting toe on a car. Many racers wouldn't know how to adjust it. You probably shouldn't worry too much about ackerman at this point of racing. Wait a few months til you understand toe on a car before opening the next can of worms.
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Alright, I tried it. I went back to toe-out, and suddenly the back straight was super easy. Return the wheel to center out of the straight entrance corner, and whammo: car locks onto a straight line down the straight. I like-ee.
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Originally Posted by civiceg
does anyone race without toe in the front?

For me, 0 front toe works best on round shaped long corners. It decreases your initial steer torwards rounded corners thus keeps your car's transition smoothly. Toe out works fine if you want more inital steering before corners. Although it also decreases speed on the straights, cause of scrubbing.
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Toe out works fine if you want more inital steering before corners. Although it also decreases speed on the straights, cause of scrubbing.[/QUOTE]

The loss of speed on the straights in something you cant "feel" . toe-out allows your car to come onto the straight and hold that line until you trun in for the next..

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