Shaft Drive TC
04-12-2007, 12:30 PM
#92
Originally Posted by edseb
Are you kidding me? What planet did you learn this stuff on? Often the drivers dictate to the manufacturers. Many act as their own mechanics and do there own testing. Often in many cases they act directly as the liason with the engineers or are the engineer. Guys like Hara, Tosolini, Baker, etc., all work on their own or unless they need some help due to time, etc. Tosolini and Baker, among others ran for companies that had shaft cars and as soon as they switched they all said the belts were better, hmmm. Hara even is deeply involved in the design process. Guys like David Jun even design parts for their cars that go in to production. In Masami's case, he has the option to run shaft or belt for years, including to this day, and his dad Masaki was his mechanic and is still considered to be on of the best engineers/mechanics. I have a better idea, you start a company, hire drivers, don't listen to them, design a car none of them like and go shaft instead of belt because the whole industry is wrong on this one. You'll make tons of money. Idiot.
04-12-2007, 12:32 PM
#93
Originally Posted by Stampede
Lower my tone? Easy chief. Did you see any thing in caps or any exclamation points? Did I call you any names? Nope. FYI, I wasn't trying to argue anything. Just stating that the consumers have very little say in the "next" version. And that revisions are done for a purpose.
Lower my tone?.....Sorry Pa.....Get a clue.
Jason
Lower my tone?.....Sorry Pa.....Get a clue.
Jason
04-12-2007, 12:33 PM
#94
Originally Posted by Advil
Actually I think you are confusing market strategy with innovation. Xray came out with a new car to keep sales up. The "new" and "latest" technology becomes a "must have" for the competitive consumer. This does not affect my thinking on belt vs. shaft. If you have customers screaming for a belt car....(AE) and you don't make one, you lost market share ($$$$). I think that the belt vs. shaft thing is simply that. Not really a case of "which is better", but a case of which sells better. I think currently belts have the upper hand but that can change as easily as which car wins the next big race.
04-12-2007, 12:38 PM
#95
Originally Posted by CAlbrecht
Switch to Corally were all the hop-ups are in one box, get this you even get aluminum shocks can you believe it...
A grand into a X-ray is fucking rediculous..
BL sytem, with lipos has to be a big part of it I dont see that much money going into after market parts..
A grand into a X-ray is fucking rediculous..
BL sytem, with lipos has to be a big part of it I dont see that much money going into after market parts..
04-12-2007, 12:45 PM
#96
Originally Posted by CAlbrecht
...A grand into a X-ray is fucking rediculous..
BL sytem, with lipos has to be a big part of it I dont see that much money going into after market parts..
BL sytem, with lipos has to be a big part of it I dont see that much money going into after market parts..
Battery strap - $40
Multi-diff - $50
Team Tamale rear hubs - $50
KO digital servo - $130
KO speedo w/ programmer - $220
KO receiver - $80
PT - $100
If you're sponsored then most of that equipement don't mean anything to you because you just get it for free. But for the rest of us who are self sponsored thats the real cost. Believe that.
04-12-2007, 12:56 PM
#97
Tech Master
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Originally Posted by bxpitbull
Keep sales up? They just sold a ton of cars with the T2. The car was going strong and they dropped the 007. Take a peep in the Xray thread. See the frustration of the people who had just dropped over 550 for a car only to have Xray come out with the 007...oh yea, thats listening to the consumer.
Their order fill rates on the other hand are atrocious...but that is a different gripe altogether.
Last edited by Advil; 04-12-2007 at 01:30 PM.
04-12-2007, 12:57 PM
#98
Originally Posted by Yub, yub, cmdr!
My next question is:
do belt drive cars really get trashed up running on unprepped?
do belt drive cars really get trashed up running on unprepped?
The $99 TC4 sounds like a no-brainer to me. If Associated is still selling the TC4 RTR and NTC3, then I would assume they will still have a reasonable amount of parts support for the near future. You might just want to pick up a spare set of a-arms and mabybe some diff parts or spare outdrives.
Last edited by G Ace; 04-12-2007 at 01:35 PM.
04-12-2007, 01:27 PM
#99
Originally Posted by G Ace
Yes, the ball diffs on belt drive cars get really gritty unless the drivtrain is enclosed, depending on what part of the country you live in. The only 3 belt cars I know of with enclosed drivetrains were the Losi Street Weapon, XXX-S and Yokomo MR4-TC (all defunct).
The $99 TC4 sounds like a no-brainer to me. If Associated is still selling the TC4 RTR and NTC3, then I would assume they will still have a reasonable amount of parts support for the near future. You might just want to pick up a spare set of a-arms and mabybe some diff parts or spare outdrives.
The $99 TC4 sounds like a no-brainer to me. If Associated is still selling the TC4 RTR and NTC3, then I would assume they will still have a reasonable amount of parts support for the near future. You might just want to pick up a spare set of a-arms and mabybe some diff parts or spare outdrives.
04-12-2007, 01:33 PM
#100
Originally Posted by edseb
The XXXS was a single belt. Anyways, I think you're right in advice otherwise.
(BTW, there were 2 of those, the Street Weapon and the FSR Bullet).
04-12-2007, 01:44 PM
#101
Originally Posted by YR4Dude
T2 - $450 with sales tax
Battery strap - $40
Multi-diff - $50
Team Tamale rear hubs - $50
KO digital servo - $130
KO speedo w/ programmer - $220
KO receiver - $80
PT - $100
If you're sponsored then most of that equipement don't mean anything to you because you just get it for free. But for the rest of us who are self sponsored thats the real cost. Believe that.
Battery strap - $40
Multi-diff - $50
Team Tamale rear hubs - $50
KO digital servo - $130
KO speedo w/ programmer - $220
KO receiver - $80
PT - $100
If you're sponsored then most of that equipement don't mean anything to you because you just get it for free. But for the rest of us who are self sponsored thats the real cost. Believe that.
04-12-2007, 01:52 PM
#102
Originally Posted by G Ace
How did I know somebody would misread that? I was naming 3 cars, not cars that had 3 belts (BTW, there were 2 of those, the Street Weapon and the FSR Bullet).
(BTW, there were 2 of those, the Street Weapon and the FSR Bullet).
04-12-2007, 02:04 PM
#103
Tech Regular
Originally Posted by bxpitbull
My man, got a clue. The f&*k in your previous post can be taken as brash, the way I viewed it. Please dont try to downplay it.
Anyways...X-ray diffs with the covers are sealed up pretty good. If you're not running mod, they hold up for a long time. The other thing to remember to take an X-acto to clean out the teeth on your pulleys. Other than that, a belt drive car should make a fine basher. But how can ya pass up a $99 TC4?
Jason
04-12-2007, 02:13 PM
#104
Originally Posted by Stampede
Downplay what? I didn't say "F&#k you". Brash....hmmm...I'm keepin' that one!
Anyways...X-ray diffs with the covers are sealed up pretty good. If you're not running mod, they hold up for a long time. The other thing to remember to take an X-acto to clean out the teeth on your pulleys. Other than that, a belt drive car should make a fine basher. But how can ya pass up a $99 TC4?
Jason
Anyways...X-ray diffs with the covers are sealed up pretty good. If you're not running mod, they hold up for a long time. The other thing to remember to take an X-acto to clean out the teeth on your pulleys. Other than that, a belt drive car should make a fine basher. But how can ya pass up a $99 TC4?
Jason
But, in all seriousness, I have seen many of these belt dudes whine that they only run on prepared surfaces. Heck, if I am going to lay out some cheese on a car, it better be able to take some abuse. Electric cats seem to baby their cars. And they wonder why nitro dudes dont give em no respect.
04-12-2007, 02:24 PM
#105
Tech Regular
Originally Posted by bxpitbull
Thats what I'm talking about, bring the mother-effing ruckus.
But, in all seriousness, I have seen many of these belt dudes whine that they only run on prepared surfaces. Heck, if I am going to lay out some cheese on a car, it better be able to take some abuse. Electric cats seem to baby their cars. And they wonder why nitro dudes dont give em no respect.
But, in all seriousness, I have seen many of these belt dudes whine that they only run on prepared surfaces. Heck, if I am going to lay out some cheese on a car, it better be able to take some abuse. Electric cats seem to baby their cars. And they wonder why nitro dudes dont give em no respect.
O.K.....I think I can see where you're coming from. Most of todays cars are built around shedding weight while trying to maintain a certain amount of durability. As parts get lighter or just smaller they lose some integrity. Look at the arms and hubs of an fk05 compared to a T2. Big difference.
Now, with that being said, it does seem odd that if racing is a small part of the industry as a whole, they would build 90% of kits geared towards racing.
The other end of the argument is "If you hit stuff, it'll break". Try making it through one month of racing with a TC3 and not break anything. But I can finish the last 2mins. of a run with a broken C hub on my fk05.It's not just new technology.
Jason