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Old 09-28-2006, 06:37 PM   #976
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yes-I am in agreement with you and Tito 100%. You have to adapt and it is clear who adapted the best and who didnt because there were plenty of A-B Main guys who drove tight lines and stayed clean for 5 or 8 who werent even close to making the show!!

So I wont ever argue the "same for all" nor will I argue that "traction was too low to race". It is clear that there was ENOUGH traction to qualify on and race on come Friday.

I am just combating the notion that we should drop the subject because no one who is talking about the traction has anything bad ot say about the race at all. Though it is getting a bit stale-eh? I to think the HVAC had most t do with it with many other smaller contributing factors.
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Old 09-28-2006, 07:58 PM   #977
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I have no one to blame but myself. I don't need everyone else telling me I suck and need to drive better and learn to wrench. I can critique myself just fine.

I beat cuffs and smyka at previous races in the last year so I'm not a non-driving idiot.

Everyone is so quick to jump on people before they even hear them out.

All I wanted to know was if Scotty/Boomer would consider paragon traction action as an alternative.

If I'm not mistaken Scotty asked everyone to give him feedback good or bad.

My posts were directed to Scotty or the crew from the IIC no one else.

I'm sorry I brought it up...

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Everyone is so quick to jump on people before they even hear them out.
I haven't seen anybody "jumping on" anyone yet. You expressed your opinion, some people agreed with you and others disagreed with you...but apparently THEIR opinion isn't worth sharing with Scotty and the Boomer Boyz, they're "jumping on you" because they don't agree. Lighten up Francis.

I'm firmly in the camp of "track conditions are the same for everybody". Whatever they are, they are. If carpet conditions were like last year's Cleveland race then there was PLENTY of traction for racing, it just takes a different set-up than driving on glue. I race on the Cleveland carpet 3 weeks later and I thought it was great.

But you didn't want to hear that...

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Old 09-28-2006, 08:51 PM   #979
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Someone had posted earlier that they thought the glue had soaked through the carpet. This is a rubber backed carpet so this was not the case. We used the same exact process as last year. It provided the best surface possible for a carpet race of this magnitude.
could someone then tell me what the streaks in this pictures are?

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could someone then tell me what the streaks in this pictures are?
I know what streaks you are referrin to and I would be interested to know myself. Not lookin for a blame, just curious what it was. I guess the pic was slow to download for it showed up later when I went back. I edited it out of my post so there was not two in the same thread.
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:32 PM   #981
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I noticed those streaks in the carpet on the straight away when I first looked at the track on Wed before anyone went out. It looked to me like glue from underneath the carpet but maybe it was just discoloration from the manufacturing of the carpet before it was even put down.
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:48 PM   #982
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I am thinking something more along the lines of a device they may have used to press the carpet into the glue while layin it out. Said device had dirt on it and left marks. Looks to random for glue basing on how I saw what the glue pattern looked like last year when they pulled it up. I am just guessin here.
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Old 09-28-2006, 09:51 PM   #983
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Old 09-28-2006, 10:48 PM   #984
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could someone then tell me what the streaks in this pictures are?
It was a discoloration in the carpet. This was how it rolled out. There are color marks every 18 inches or so on every roll.
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:01 AM   #985
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Is there an overall result sheet somewhere?? (I'm trying not to have to wade thru the individual race results to try to work out winners etc)
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:59 AM   #986
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Hey Scotty and Boomer
Had a blast, still the best race on the planet by far. cant wait till next year
as far as the track goes.. it was the same all week and the same all week
for everyone much more even can it get, I put on the traction compound an
hour before the race then again on my way to tech and wiped it off after tech while waiting to run. never had a problem with traction at all.
see you guys at the classic.
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Old 09-29-2006, 04:29 AM   #987
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Very thoughtful answer boomer,
I wasn't there to fill out a suggestion card, But I attended the first one, (where traction rolling was my problem, I couldn't imagine not having traction on carpet, but its racing and its challenging.

I have a suggestion for the format, (so people can enjoy Vegas more)

Either start a day earlier which may be impossible

run 3 days of qualifiers instead of 2,
cut out a practice round
1/12 only run 5 min practice not 8(maybe they are I dont ramember)


Wed (Long day) 2 rounds practice 2 rounds of 50 heats 100 heats total
Thurs (long day)1 round of practice, round 1 of qual., 100 heats total
Fri. round 2 of qual, 1/2 of round 3 75 heats total
Sat finish round 3 run round 4 of qual 75 heats total
Sun. main events same as always


I'm sure there is other way to break it down, but really all you need is one really good run, I dont think cutting 1 practice round would kill anyone.




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Greetings all,

Well we are back and I finally got some sleep. I got up at 11:30AM yesterday morning. I was still tired.

We would like to thank you for all of the kind words that have been passed along. We hope that this event lived up to expectations.

From the sounds of the response it looks like the Internet coverage worked good as well. Shane had a plasma screen TV track side so that we could see the video that was going out of the hall and onto the net. It was a crystal clear picture for sure!

There are a few things contributing to the traction versus last year.
  • This was an exhibit hall with 25 foot ceilings.
  • It had a concrete floor -VS- thick carpet (insulation) from last year.
  • The circulation of air was incredible at this place. Standing in the doors in the hall was like standing in a mini wind tunnel.
  • There was more room in the pits compared to last year (though not enough for some), so that meant that heat from the racers pit area was a non factor in the over all room temperature.
I am sure I missed some of the other factors but you get the idea.
These were somethings that were out of our control at during the event but we will be trying to work out a solution with the South Coast.

Someone had posted earlier that they thought the glue had soaked through the carpet. This is a rubber backed carpet so this was not the case. We used the same exact process as last year. It provided the best surface possible for a carpet race of this magnitude.

Next year we will be having fewer entries so that racing will be done earlier so that people can fully enjoy Vegas and everything it has to offer.

If you are planning to attend next year, make sure you sign up early and get the entry sent in as quickly as possible. We sold out in 8 days this year, I do not think it will last that long next year. We will not be doing a lottery. Scotty has never done a lottery and does not believe in it.

Once again we thank you for the kind words as well as the offers of opinion.

Those who filled out the suggestion cards, Thank you. We are going through them and seeing what we can do to improve the whole experience.

See you next year (or at the US Touring Car Championships in January )!

Back to being a racer (a bad one at that ) for now,
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To Scotty, Boomer, Doug, and everyone else involved behind the scenes that I don't know, or haven't met, thank you. This was a great event, and I look forward to next year. I am sure that with a little more track time I could have done better. This being my first major event, especially of this magnitude, I had a blast.

I feel that this is the correct direction to take the hobby. The exposure to the public in this country from a major event couldn't be much better. All the spectators that were there were either from the casino, or attending the shows in the two adjoining rooms. They were all people that had some amount of 'disposable income', and were of an age level that would be interested in racing. I realize that this event was not stratigically planned around those other events, but it seems to have worked out well.

Something that could be thought of for the future, maybe not next year... The TV under the canopy was great, especially for when the crowd got really packed in around the track. People were watching it on the TV there that would have otherwise not gotten to see the action on the track. Little kids and people in wheelchairs and able-bodied people alike. The suggestion is this, a projection screen on the wall behind the drivers, to the side of the massive banner, showing the feed going out to the internet. - like I said, maybe a thought for the future...
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Old 09-29-2006, 06:50 AM   #989
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could someone then tell me what the streaks in this pictures are?
Can't wait till this flips over to a new page ...thanks for making us have to scroll left and right to read posts
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Can't wait till this flips over to a new page ...thanks for making us have to scroll left and right to read posts
What, you dont have a 30" monitor to surf the net on?
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