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Old 09-28-2006, 03:31 PM   #961
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I have to say we came up with some nice material for the promotional ads sunday night hahaha
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:07 PM   #962
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Regarding the Traction Situation: First, I applaud the use of traction not containing oil of wintergreen. Also, since it was a handout tire traction, there was no headahces of how to transport your traction there, which type(s) to use, nor the headaches affiliated with breathing Methyl Silicilate, (oil of wintergreen.) I think the traction was fine, maybe not overabundant like races in the past... but I ask the racers this:

-Would you rather have the traction we had at the past few races,(IIC2, Cleveland, Snowbirds, IIC1) vs. the days of traction rolling and rocket rounds?

The great thing about today's carpet is that the traction level seems to come in quick the plateau for the remainder of the week. The level of bite is closer to that of your club track, making testing more effective at the local level. In the first few years of the Snowbirds, if you didn't travel to a large warm-up race with a high attendance that generated high bite, you were wasting your time---the local tracks and setups were vastly different from what you would run when the bite became flypaper.

It was the same for everyone, and given the choice of racing on a surface like we did at Vegas or in days gone by with rocket rounds and traction rolling, I think the conditions now are much more favorable for everyone...
Just my thoughts...

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Regarding the Traction Situation: First, I applaud the use of traction not containing oil of wintergreen. Also, since it was a handout tire traction, there was no headahces of how to transport your traction there, which type(s) to use, nor the headaches affiliated with breathing Methyl Silicilate, (oil of wintergreen.) I think the traction was fine, maybe not overabundant like races in the past... but I ask the racers this:

-Would you rather have the traction we had at the past few races,(IIC2, Cleveland, Snowbirds, IIC1) vs. the days of traction rolling and rocket rounds?

The great thing about today's carpet is that the traction level seems to come in quick the plateau for the remainder of the week. The level of bite is closer to that of your club track, making testing more effective at the local level. In the first few years of the Snowbirds, if you didn't travel to a large warm-up race with a high attendance that generated high bite, you were wasting your time---the local tracks and setups were vastly different from what you would run when the bite became flypaper.

It was the same for everyone, and given the choice of racing on a surface like we did at Vegas or in days gone by with rocket rounds and traction rolling, I think the conditions now are much more favorable for everyone...
Just my thoughts...

J-Rod: Thanks again for your efforts, you're a great asset to our team...Thanks for all the promotional work you do, on and off the track...

I'll agree with TP on the traction thing, although it was not super high it remained very consistant the entire race.
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I don't know what's worse, smelling wintergreen and knowing your braincells are being killed, or not smelling them and having them killed off

Track was the same for all and aside from the temperature swings in the room traction never really changed.
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I am only a club level racer and only get to go to one or two big events a year. (IIC, Novak) I think the traction was just right for my level of racing. I was able to adjust my car quickly and make the most of the low traction situation. I am thinking that most people just starting in this hobby may find it a little less stressing to go to a big race like this if the track is like their home track. At my home track there isn't a lot of foam running, so it takes about 4 or 5 weeks for the traction to come up. Most of the time the track layout is changed long before this happens. The traction at the IIC was just like what I race at my LHS and I felt more relaxed because of it. This is what made it so much fun for me.
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I don't know what's worse, smelling wintergreen and knowing your braincells are being killed, or not smelling them and having them killed off

Track was the same for all and aside from the temperature swings in the room traction never really changed.
I saw many attempts by drivers to cleanse their braincells at night with alchohol in preperation for the next day of competition...not sure it worked, though...
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:58 PM   #967
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Correct me if i am wrong, jeff cuffs won stock 12th right? so he isnt with trinity anymore? that is a big shocker. anyone know?
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:31 PM   #968
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Greetings all,

Well we are back and I finally got some sleep. I got up at 11:30AM yesterday morning. I was still tired.

We would like to thank you for all of the kind words that have been passed along. We hope that this event lived up to expectations.

From the sounds of the response it looks like the Internet coverage worked good as well. Shane had a plasma screen TV track side so that we could see the video that was going out of the hall and onto the net. It was a crystal clear picture for sure!

There are a few things contributing to the traction versus last year.
  • This was an exhibit hall with 25 foot ceilings.
  • It had a concrete floor -VS- thick carpet (insulation) from last year.
  • The circulation of air was incredible at this place. Standing in the doors in the hall was like standing in a mini wind tunnel.
  • There was more room in the pits compared to last year (though not enough for some), so that meant that heat from the racers pit area was a non factor in the over all room temperature.
I am sure I missed some of the other factors but you get the idea.
These were somethings that were out of our control at during the event but we will be trying to work out a solution with the South Coast.

Someone had posted earlier that they thought the glue had soaked through the carpet. This is a rubber backed carpet so this was not the case. We used the same exact process as last year. It provided the best surface possible for a carpet race of this magnitude.

Next year we will be having fewer entries so that racing will be done earlier so that people can fully enjoy Vegas and everything it has to offer.

If you are planning to attend next year, make sure you sign up early and get the entry sent in as quickly as possible. We sold out in 8 days this year, I do not think it will last that long next year. We will not be doing a lottery. Scotty has never done a lottery and does not believe in it.

Once again we thank you for the kind words as well as the offers of opinion.

Those who filled out the suggestion cards, Thank you. We are going through them and seeing what we can do to improve the whole experience.

See you next year (or at the US Touring Car Championships in January )!

Back to being a racer (a bad one at that ) for now,
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:32 PM   #969
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Yes and no!! YOur right that everyone had to adapt, but what others are saying is this race is US racing, indoors on carpet with traction compound and that means to the majority of us high bite. Outdoors, sure-your agument holds true 100%. Morning, afternon, humiid, direct sun on track, shade, rain washes away grip.....This is indoors in a controlled environment.
understood, thats what I love about these discussions!!!!! someone out there always sheds the light on something that i could not see, yout the man Ray!!!!
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First thing-I am not whining-if I am in the general publics eyes, then theres a 100 guys I talked to at the race that are whiners too.

The point is you go to a carpet race to exploit what youve practiced for. Now-everyone knowing I am not an A-Main driver-I will say I am a lot better in high grip and not so good in low grip. So you go to a carpet race to hopefully have traction go through the roof and then exploit your ability drive on and to make your car work in high grip.

Let me put it a different way that every racer should understand-you dont practice your high downforce set-up to go to a low downforce track. Get it?

Its far from whining-its bizaare and were trying to figure out why it is. I mean if we dont care about grip-ban traction compound all together next year!! well adapt-the Europeans and/or Japanese run without it at some big races right?

yes -I understand and am aware that the days of balck groove races may be gone and I will adapt. But for now weve been suprised twice (Champs 05 and IIC 06) and many of us who prefer a groove to race on our scratching our heads. Whats wrong with a pursuit of knowledge?
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Old 09-28-2006, 05:57 PM   #971
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I got a suggestion....Hired turn marshalls. preferably ones from Cheetah's, Spearmint Rhino, Score's or any of the other fine "entertainment facilities"

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i heard some discussion about the carpet being different. apparently sometime last year after the iic and before cleveland, the manufacturer of the carpet (not crc the distrubutor) changed the weave of the carpet making it pill and shed less. this is supposedly why the cleveland race last year experienced something similar. not sure if this is true, just some discussion i heard. perhaps this in combination with the dryness of the room contributed to the lack of a groove forming.

i agree with both the comments about the traction situation - yes, we are used to having high bite on carpet, yes it is a controlled environment.
however, on the other hand, racing is about adapting to the conditions of the track. the best were able to do that, (the laptimes were even faster this year than last). why shouldn't everyone else? that is part of the skill we are to have is to know how to setup the cars. F1 teams travel to different tracks all over the world to see who can adapt and setup to the local conditions the best. so, yes we had expectations about the traction (and rightfully so) but everyone else was in the same situation.
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Yeah I have to agree that it was nice to meet Pookyt and know he has his own teeth and was not there with his sister or cousin!!

Just kiddin Bro, I know now from watchin you down there that you could out drive me any day!!

Thank you very much!! Please again tell your wife my thanks for keeping me stocked up with Live Wire Mt. Dew!!!! I could deal with the nose bleeds and crusty boogers but the Mt.Dew kept me from getting into the redline!!!

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Great race Scotty, Boomer, Doug, Shane and the Trackside gang.

Only race that could pull PookyT out of Arkansas...

Well.......I say if your gonna go to a big race for the first time you might as well go all the way!!!

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however, on the other hand, racing is about adapting to the conditions of the track. the best were able to do that
That's why, as a spectator, I love the idea of racing in the weather like they do in much of Europe. I realize it sucks for the drivers, but man, just like F1 -- even if the conditions suck, your team solves problems and comes up with the best solution to make the car go.

If you think low traction at the IIC is bad, try racing in a rainstorm.
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