why?
#1
Tech Regular
Thread Starter
why?
why do soo many people not like LiPos, or Brushless motors?
if i have a 4.5 and the new 4800 orion lipo, i can smoke any tratital motor with IB 4800's
not to add that lipos retain 80% (or something like that) of their chare over a long period of time, not like normal cells, that loose charge and life
and u dont have to discharge!!!, and races can be longer
also,
why does it seem that everyone puts all the kids in r/c down? (like me)
they (older people) act like im stupid, and that i know notthing
i mean, yes their are a couple of you out their that are very helpful, but its those others the ruin it
lastly
why is everything sedan racing, i mean who races their family car, if im gona race, im gona have a lotus elise or a RX-7, not my grandma's Stratus
why doesnt ROAR make a coupe racing class, and have regulations on the bodies like they do for sedan racing?
i dono, just my stupid teen-age wondering
if i have a 4.5 and the new 4800 orion lipo, i can smoke any tratital motor with IB 4800's
not to add that lipos retain 80% (or something like that) of their chare over a long period of time, not like normal cells, that loose charge and life
and u dont have to discharge!!!, and races can be longer
also,
why does it seem that everyone puts all the kids in r/c down? (like me)
they (older people) act like im stupid, and that i know notthing
i mean, yes their are a couple of you out their that are very helpful, but its those others the ruin it
lastly
why is everything sedan racing, i mean who races their family car, if im gona race, im gona have a lotus elise or a RX-7, not my grandma's Stratus
why doesnt ROAR make a coupe racing class, and have regulations on the bodies like they do for sedan racing?
i dono, just my stupid teen-age wondering
#3
at this moment, brushed motor and 'traditional' NiMH batts are the trend, or i should say the 'art' of EP.
#4
Tech Fanatic
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lipo/bl has been slow to takeoff in large part due to a lack of support (even backlash) from current nimh/br resellers. look at all the add-ons you can get with nimh/br, battery bars, shrink wrap, frequent brush changes, comm lathes, new arms, and the list goes on. tuners that wind br arms could do bl stators, but the average customer would not be purchasing near as often. battery matchers could still make a reasonable profit with lipo, again though your average customers would not be buying as many battery packs as often unless more manufacturers got into the game and we started having voltage wars all over (though this could be controlled through bl controllers).
most average racers want whats winning. as long as the companies making money from nimh/br are paying the talent to run their existing products, then most classes will be nimh/br and most people will run it. i think what you'll continue to see is some of the larger rc companies getting into lipo/bl through either in house development (novak) or rebadging others products (orion). when they see lipo/bl as more opportunistic than nimh/br we will see lipo/bl gain support.
most average racers want whats winning. as long as the companies making money from nimh/br are paying the talent to run their existing products, then most classes will be nimh/br and most people will run it. i think what you'll continue to see is some of the larger rc companies getting into lipo/bl through either in house development (novak) or rebadging others products (orion). when they see lipo/bl as more opportunistic than nimh/br we will see lipo/bl gain support.
#7
Tech Regular
Thread Starter
yeah, but BL'S are way cheaper in the long run
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
#8
Originally Posted by thedudeaturdoor
yeah, but BL'S are way cheaper in the long run
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
my 2 cents
#9
Tech Master
iTrader: (2)
Originally Posted by thedudeaturdoor
yeah, but BL'S are way cheaper in the long run
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
u dont need a lathe, new brushes, etc.
i can understand the whole thing with Lipos, but BL'S? i mean its just wayy better
what about coupe racing?
anyone agree with me?
#10
Tech Master
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I love the Idea of BL but this carpet season I saw 10+ motors/ controllers smoke, die act funny just in my local club. It wasn't just one brand but a few of both. The guys using them are very experienced racers and followed all the instructions. I think that the mainstream (north america) BL sets just need to be massaged a little and work the last few bugs out.
#11
Tech Champion
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Originally Posted by Soviet
I'm totally with ya man...I'd love to race more "realistic" bodies and have a coupe / GT type class. And for the folks who will say that the GT bodies handle like crap...well...stuff it.
#12
Originally Posted by Soviet
I'm totally with ya man...I'd love to race more "realistic" bodies and have a coupe / GT type class. And for the folks who will say that the GT bodies handle like crap...well...stuff it.
#13
Tech Elite
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Why I think brushless has not taken off.
1. Most racers across the US run stock or 19 turn. The current BL systems are comprable to modified motors.
2. People are comfortable with brushed motors since many racers have been running them for so many years. Plus they have all the equipment/knowhow to work on and tweak brushed motors.
3. Brushed motors are still better. I know a bunch of you will argue this, but I belive that if and when BL systems are better they will out sell and replace brushed motors/ESC's.
As far as GT bodies go People will run what ever is faster. A few years ago they opened up the rules on bodies in the Florida State series, and I've yet to see anyone do well with a GT style body. If you'd like to run something different run 1/12's (I do). The class is called "touring cars" so I've got no problem running a Mazda 6 (the new Mazda speed 6 comes with 4WD,and 270hp not exactly your Grandma's car)
Just my $.02
Roly
1. Most racers across the US run stock or 19 turn. The current BL systems are comprable to modified motors.
2. People are comfortable with brushed motors since many racers have been running them for so many years. Plus they have all the equipment/knowhow to work on and tweak brushed motors.
3. Brushed motors are still better. I know a bunch of you will argue this, but I belive that if and when BL systems are better they will out sell and replace brushed motors/ESC's.
As far as GT bodies go People will run what ever is faster. A few years ago they opened up the rules on bodies in the Florida State series, and I've yet to see anyone do well with a GT style body. If you'd like to run something different run 1/12's (I do). The class is called "touring cars" so I've got no problem running a Mazda 6 (the new Mazda speed 6 comes with 4WD,and 270hp not exactly your Grandma's car)
Just my $.02
Roly
#15
why?
Change usually takes time. Brushless motors, while not a new technolgy in general, are still a newer concept in the RC hobby. I have been playing with brushless motors in my parkflyers for a year or so and the technology justs keeps getting better. The ideal of having a "maintenance free" power plant is music to the ears. But the initial cost of the motor/esc combo are a little more than many people want to spend.
At my local track(s), racers have been having hit or miss luck with the GTB system. Some guys got the esc to work on the first go round, others had to send their units back to Novak. I have also heard (rumors) of the Reedy Sphere Brushless ESC burining up when hooked up to the Reedy brushless system.
Lipo batteries are great, they provide longer operation times and the weight is a fraction of their NiMH competitors. The cons of Lipo include the seemingly astronomical price tags (although they are getting cheaper) and the attention that is required for safe and proper charging.
llamont
At my local track(s), racers have been having hit or miss luck with the GTB system. Some guys got the esc to work on the first go round, others had to send their units back to Novak. I have also heard (rumors) of the Reedy Sphere Brushless ESC burining up when hooked up to the Reedy brushless system.
Lipo batteries are great, they provide longer operation times and the weight is a fraction of their NiMH competitors. The cons of Lipo include the seemingly astronomical price tags (although they are getting cheaper) and the attention that is required for safe and proper charging.
llamont