22LikesBest 1/10 4wd buggy?
03-16-2017, 10:38 AM
#31
I have the xb4 2016 and Team C TM4. Both are great. My friend seems happy with his B64d.
If you're in the US, choose between the xb4 or the B64D and you'll be happy with either. Xray will require less parts replacement, but parts are more expensive.
I've also owned the Durango (v3), a couple of Yokomos, and Losi cars (but old ones, xx4), and I'm really impressed by the xb4 and TM4. They both kind of have it all. Durable, easy to drive, easy to maintain.
Team C is slowly getting its act together back in the US so if you want something different the TM4 is an option, just get yourself a handful of extra parts. You don't need to go crazy as it uses the same pistons in its shocks as AE.
If you're in the US, choose between the xb4 or the B64D and you'll be happy with either. Xray will require less parts replacement, but parts are more expensive.
I've also owned the Durango (v3), a couple of Yokomos, and Losi cars (but old ones, xx4), and I'm really impressed by the xb4 and TM4. They both kind of have it all. Durable, easy to drive, easy to maintain.
Team C is slowly getting its act together back in the US so if you want something different the TM4 is an option, just get yourself a handful of extra parts. You don't need to go crazy as it uses the same pistons in its shocks as AE.
03-16-2017, 10:45 AM
#32
Tech Initiate
I think my orange shock nuts are going to make mine faster,
03-16-2017, 10:52 AM
#33
Having driven literally every single car that can be considered on the list (less the YZ-4 and SRx4), and now running the SB401 for as couple of years now, I can unequivocally say the DEX410 is the best overall car for a vast number of reasons.
The ease of maintenance as JRSlash pointed out is second to NONE. I mean the pull-pin is the most ingenious thing I have ever come across on an RC vehicle. While you'd think the system being so easy to take apart might not be robust enough to hold up for very long, it is factually quite the opposite. My son now has my 410v3 and it still has all the original parts for the center slipper and it is still as tight today as it was almost 5 years ago, with zero play.
And while we've all heard about fit and finish of components being legendary among many vehicles, including that of "luxury" brands
, no 4WD kit I have ever assembled was quite as precise as the DEX410 and maintained such precision through years of running. There is still no play anywhere on my son's 410 (I change the cups to TLR/Kyosho ones which I've found to be the most robust and precise fitting in the industry).
The 3 areas in which the 410 does not rank the best in my experience are…
1. Stock Ball Cups (which they've revised several times over - haven't tried the latest iteration, but I swapped them out as described above and that literally becomes a non-issue)
2. Factory Hinge Pins - Not sure if they've changed the material as of yet but for $5 you can buy hardened pins from McMaster and it would be rare to break or even bend one.
3. Very rigid and robust plastics for the arms, and really it's not a weak point in my experience. (this makes them tend to snap rather than bend but if you don't drive like a maniacal bat out of hell, they hold up perfectly well and don't develop slop over time. There was a large batch of the B-Spec arms that were brittle but they rectified the issue and all has been superb since then)
The weakest thing about the 410, and now any Durango vehicle is that the brand is circling the drain since it's parent company has filed for bankruptcy and parts have become increasingly difficult to find. Sad because I still find this one of the most innovative RC kits around and most of it's innovation is really due to keeping things simple.
Having said all that, most of today's top quality race kits all perform quite similarly and you will more than likely be pleased with any of them. The biggest difference in performance will come from going with either a Shaft Driver car vs. a Belt Driven car, and with each type you will find some are simply smoother than others.
For Shaft Driven cars I'd say the 410, XB4 and 46 are equal in smoothness but the XB4 & 46 are a tad easier to drive out of the box because for whatever stupid reason Durango continues to include the 19° front blocks, but swap those for the 21° blocks and the car is Butter.
For Belt driven cars it's a tossup between the 22-4, SRx4 and the YZ-4 because they're all so smooth. Choosing between belt driven cars will come down to what type of track you race on the most, but I remember reading that Yokomo will be offering the YZ-4 2 models (can't find the link ATM) like the YZ-2 in the very near future – Carpet & Dirt – so keep that in mind when narrowing down your decision on a belt driven car should you opt to go that way.
Hope this helps.
The ease of maintenance as JRSlash pointed out is second to NONE. I mean the pull-pin is the most ingenious thing I have ever come across on an RC vehicle. While you'd think the system being so easy to take apart might not be robust enough to hold up for very long, it is factually quite the opposite. My son now has my 410v3 and it still has all the original parts for the center slipper and it is still as tight today as it was almost 5 years ago, with zero play.
And while we've all heard about fit and finish of components being legendary among many vehicles, including that of "luxury" brands
, no 4WD kit I have ever assembled was quite as precise as the DEX410 and maintained such precision through years of running. There is still no play anywhere on my son's 410 (I change the cups to TLR/Kyosho ones which I've found to be the most robust and precise fitting in the industry).The 3 areas in which the 410 does not rank the best in my experience are…
1. Stock Ball Cups (which they've revised several times over - haven't tried the latest iteration, but I swapped them out as described above and that literally becomes a non-issue)
2. Factory Hinge Pins - Not sure if they've changed the material as of yet but for $5 you can buy hardened pins from McMaster and it would be rare to break or even bend one.
3. Very rigid and robust plastics for the arms, and really it's not a weak point in my experience. (this makes them tend to snap rather than bend but if you don't drive like a maniacal bat out of hell, they hold up perfectly well and don't develop slop over time. There was a large batch of the B-Spec arms that were brittle but they rectified the issue and all has been superb since then)
The weakest thing about the 410, and now any Durango vehicle is that the brand is circling the drain since it's parent company has filed for bankruptcy and parts have become increasingly difficult to find. Sad because I still find this one of the most innovative RC kits around and most of it's innovation is really due to keeping things simple.
Having said all that, most of today's top quality race kits all perform quite similarly and you will more than likely be pleased with any of them. The biggest difference in performance will come from going with either a Shaft Driver car vs. a Belt Driven car, and with each type you will find some are simply smoother than others.
For Shaft Driven cars I'd say the 410, XB4 and 46 are equal in smoothness but the XB4 & 46 are a tad easier to drive out of the box because for whatever stupid reason Durango continues to include the 19° front blocks, but swap those for the 21° blocks and the car is Butter.
For Belt driven cars it's a tossup between the 22-4, SRx4 and the YZ-4 because they're all so smooth. Choosing between belt driven cars will come down to what type of track you race on the most, but I remember reading that Yokomo will be offering the YZ-4 2 models (can't find the link ATM) like the YZ-2 in the very near future – Carpet & Dirt – so keep that in mind when narrowing down your decision on a belt driven car should you opt to go that way.
Hope this helps.
03-16-2017, 11:04 AM
#34
TLR outdoors, plants, rips, and sticks better than any of the above, they are extremely fragile in towers/arms and in drive train compared to other cars
Kyosho, had one driver with it, he sold it and got a Xray. told me they were about the same in cost but xray is stronger
Xray, car appears near bomb proof, i have seen drivers that are running 4.5 to 6.5 motors do some crashes, get marshaled and off they go
Yokomo they seem killer when set up right and running, we have two drivers with them. appears yokomo is backwards engineering and testing going back to a previous shaft drive design, saw talk of it during desert classic race in arizona
AE pretty much looks like a xray, kyosho on the track. doing real well
HB imo, on near equal status with xray in bomb proof department
running indoors, xray is so much more reliable and less breaks
03-16-2017, 11:17 AM
#35
i was reading in the durango thread, a designer is now working working for serpent and that the new SDX4 will be shaft drive and looks near identical to the durango 4wd people are having a hard time getting parts for
just found a WIKI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_D...petition_Buggy
The original Durango was developed by Serpent Racing from the Netherlands who teamed up with Gerd Strenge to develop a Serpent-Branded 4WD electric buggy based upon prototype cars designs and built by German racer Gerd Strenge, calling the car the S500. The car was a radical departure from the slab-sided hand-machined prototypes when it first saw the light of day at Nuremberg 2008 however the economic climate meant the car never went into production. Fortunately Gerd Strenge and his designer Michael Vollmer formed at the end of 2008 the brand ‘Team Durango’ was formed launching a redesigned S500 called the DEX410 and making it available to the mass market since September 2009. For many years before then prototype cars designed and built by Gerd had noticeable success against the larger commercial builders on the European racing scene.[1][2]
just found a WIKI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_D...petition_Buggy
The original Durango was developed by Serpent Racing from the Netherlands who teamed up with Gerd Strenge to develop a Serpent-Branded 4WD electric buggy based upon prototype cars designs and built by German racer Gerd Strenge, calling the car the S500. The car was a radical departure from the slab-sided hand-machined prototypes when it first saw the light of day at Nuremberg 2008 however the economic climate meant the car never went into production. Fortunately Gerd Strenge and his designer Michael Vollmer formed at the end of 2008 the brand ‘Team Durango’ was formed launching a redesigned S500 called the DEX410 and making it available to the mass market since September 2009. For many years before then prototype cars designed and built by Gerd had noticeable success against the larger commercial builders on the European racing scene.[1][2]
03-16-2017, 11:39 AM
#36
I have the xb4 2016 and Team C TM4. Both are great. My friend seems happy with his B64d.
If you're in the US, choose between the xb4 or the B64D and you'll be happy with either. Xray will require less parts replacement, but parts are more expensive.
I've also owned the Durango (v3), a couple of Yokomos, and Losi cars (but old ones, xx4), and I'm really impressed by the xb4 and TM4. They both kind of have it all. Durable, easy to drive, easy to maintain.
Team C is slowly getting its act together back in the US so if you want something different the TM4 is an option, just get yourself a handful of extra parts. You don't need to go crazy as it uses the same pistons in its shocks as AE.
If you're in the US, choose between the xb4 or the B64D and you'll be happy with either. Xray will require less parts replacement, but parts are more expensive.
I've also owned the Durango (v3), a couple of Yokomos, and Losi cars (but old ones, xx4), and I'm really impressed by the xb4 and TM4. They both kind of have it all. Durable, easy to drive, easy to maintain.
Team C is slowly getting its act together back in the US so if you want something different the TM4 is an option, just get yourself a handful of extra parts. You don't need to go crazy as it uses the same pistons in its shocks as AE.
03-16-2017, 12:02 PM
#37
TLR, HB, Kyosho, Xray, Yokomo 2 fat belt car, and now AE of those is all i have seen in person and usually end up marshaling for that class.
TLR outdoors, plants, rips, and sticks better than any of the above, they are extremely fragile in towers/arms and in drive train compared to other cars
Kyosho, had one driver with it, he sold it and got a Xray. told me they were about the same in cost but xray is stronger
Xray, car appears near bomb proof, i have seen drivers that are running 4.5 to 6.5 motors do some crashes, get marshaled and off they go
Yokomo they seem killer when set up right and running, we have two drivers with them. appears yokomo is backwards engineering and testing going back to a previous shaft drive design, saw talk of it during desert classic race in arizona
AE pretty much looks like a xray, kyosho on the track. doing real well
HB imo, on near equal status with xray in bomb proof department
running indoors, xray is so much more reliable and less breaks
TLR outdoors, plants, rips, and sticks better than any of the above, they are extremely fragile in towers/arms and in drive train compared to other cars
Kyosho, had one driver with it, he sold it and got a Xray. told me they were about the same in cost but xray is stronger
Xray, car appears near bomb proof, i have seen drivers that are running 4.5 to 6.5 motors do some crashes, get marshaled and off they go
Yokomo they seem killer when set up right and running, we have two drivers with them. appears yokomo is backwards engineering and testing going back to a previous shaft drive design, saw talk of it during desert classic race in arizona
AE pretty much looks like a xray, kyosho on the track. doing real well
HB imo, on near equal status with xray in bomb proof department
running indoors, xray is so much more reliable and less breaks
Yea the Losi looked good but after i seen there a pain to work on with the belts and saw more than one break everytime .
I wanted something that is strong and wear wise not terrible and can be pushed hard setup right which is the D413 the easyiest to work on to get to the Front and Rear diffs thank god for a drill driver.
03-16-2017, 06:27 PM
#38
Tech Regular
My zx6 seems to work just fine. I would like to try a belt car though.
03-17-2017, 12:57 PM
#39
TLR, HB, Kyosho, Xray, Yokomo 2 fat belt car, and now AE of those is all i have seen in person and usually end up marshaling for that class.
TLR outdoors, plants, rips, and sticks better than any of the above, they are extremely fragile in towers/arms and in drive train compared to other cars
Kyosho, had one driver with it, he sold it and got a Xray. told me they were about the same in cost but xray is stronger
Xray, car appears near bomb proof, i have seen drivers that are running 4.5 to 6.5 motors do some crashes, get marshaled and off they go
Yokomo they seem killer when set up right and running, we have two drivers with them. appears yokomo is backwards engineering and testing going back to a previous shaft drive design, saw talk of it during desert classic race in arizona
AE pretty much looks like a xray, kyosho on the track. doing real well
HB imo, on near equal status with xray in bomb proof department
running indoors, xray is so much more reliable and less breaks
TLR outdoors, plants, rips, and sticks better than any of the above, they are extremely fragile in towers/arms and in drive train compared to other cars
Kyosho, had one driver with it, he sold it and got a Xray. told me they were about the same in cost but xray is stronger
Xray, car appears near bomb proof, i have seen drivers that are running 4.5 to 6.5 motors do some crashes, get marshaled and off they go
Yokomo they seem killer when set up right and running, we have two drivers with them. appears yokomo is backwards engineering and testing going back to a previous shaft drive design, saw talk of it during desert classic race in arizona
AE pretty much looks like a xray, kyosho on the track. doing real well
HB imo, on near equal status with xray in bomb proof department
running indoors, xray is so much more reliable and less breaks
I run 2 YZ4's thus one 13.5 the other mod on low to med bite dirt and clay tracks. For myself it has been the best wheeler I have owned and I have owned just about every wheeler out, with the exception of TD V5, TM4, HP SB401 and Casters wheeler. I have been able to drive the TM4 and the SB401 as two of my friend have them. Great wheelers!
The YZ4 keeps getting better. Wrenching time via the diffs obviously is not quick however I have not had any breakage besides the front kit arms, which has not been an issue since Yokomo fixed as well as releasing their +1 graphite blend front a arms. Options per lipo types and layout are endless which is a great for tuning. Saddles transverse or longitude, brick packs dido, dual 1s pan style packs (super lcg being super thin) dido, shorty transverse or longitudinal as well. Offsetting shortys, bricks while longitudinal, and saddles is an option as well. ESC placement has tons of options.
With JG's new slipper stress on the whole drive train is reduced, rear end stays planted and the need for extra weight is eliminated. Belt skipping on high bite eliminated.
Negatives one can spend a ton of money dropping in all the options but for myself it worth it. Wheeler is the only class I had the hardest time truly finding a platform that I absolutely loved thus I finally did with the YZ4. First YZ4 I purchased I was impatient thus did not give it anytime which I should have been patient being it was a new platform and at the time there was really no upgrades available.
Again my opinion is what ever wheeler suits someone's likes that best for them.
03-18-2017, 07:12 AM
#40
Tech Rookie
I'm just returning to the R/C scene. Back in January I decided to go with another 4wd buggy. I looked at very car on the market at the time, even the B64. I didn't want a belt driven car, and I wanted something new. The Serpent SDX 4 was the winner. I'm happy with my purchase, and I can't wait to put this thing together.
07-01-2022, 12:41 AM
#41
Tech Regular
i borrow this thread....
It is said that Hot Bodies buggies, some of their parts are odd size, as compared to Kyosho, Yokomo, Schumacher etc etc etc.....
Is this info correct ?
It is said that Hot Bodies buggies, some of their parts are odd size, as compared to Kyosho, Yokomo, Schumacher etc etc etc.....
Is this info correct ?
07-01-2022, 08:21 AM
#42
Tech Rookie
Shumy Cat K2 is smoooth but parts are harder to come by stateside
07-01-2022, 12:51 PM
#43
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